Who has seen the covid virus itself in the eyes? Through a microscope? NO No one in the world has seen it, and all that is shown on TV is a deception of the population. you're being paid for
I know that. It belongs to the classic vaccines. It's an inactivated original virus. The Cutter incident is based on a fatal production fault / quality management. The virus has been inactivated by formaldehyde, but they did not properly check if all the viruses have been inactivated. So they sold a vaccine which still had active viruses in it. As result many people got poliomyelitis. Some people assume they have not taken enough time to inactivate the viruses (more profit). Poliomyelitis is a real dangerous illness with significant fatality rates. COVID-19 is a joke compared to it. The poliomyelitis vaccines are safe today. And they are very effective. It belongs to the useful vaccines with a real evidence on efficacy. COVID-19 has a fatality rate of 0.23% only. (WHO bulletin). It's really hard to get evidence on efficacy having such a low fatality rate. From this POV it's generally questionable at COVID-19 if it makes sense to go for a vaccine at all. It only makes sense for the high risk groups having a higher fatality rate.
It's way worse than that, Yen. Lancet etc. have articles about SV40 and so on - it was considered "good science" back then, says Hilleman, while stabbing in the dark himself... https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/polio-vaccine-and-simian-virus So, these things should be properly discussed, not shoved under the carpet, the public properly educated and any new vaccine and pharmacological product carefully tested, screened and monitored, indeed... If we do not do precisely that - then we are creating a fertile ground on which antivaxers and anti-science nutters grow... (Plenty of them on show in this very thread!) 'Tis to be expected, when they are kept in the dark and they either know it or they can feel it... So, I blame the "scientism" for their offensive BS nowadays, as they think that somehow science must not be subject to proper debate and in fact it should replace religion... Either science is truly open to scrutiny - and never exempt from potential consequences of its products/council - or we have a really large problem on our hands, which will only grow and the backlash can be devastating, in a much wider context, politically as well!
Yes, that's right. I only referred to the Cutter incident (1955). Not saying this was the only issue. The potential issues at classic approach: You can get the illness (as mentioned already). You can have impurities from growing the virus. This applies to vector virus based vaccines as well. BTW: The vector virus based Oxford vaccine uses cell lines from an electively aborted foetus, AFAIK a foetus from 1973! There are 'scientists' saying that the mRMA based vaccines are safer than a classic vaccine. Because they do exclude impurities from growing (you do not have to grow virus at all) and there's less probability to get sick. BUT! It's "scientism" as well. The mainstream media is full of such people saying that! It's irresponsible and I absolutely cannot understand why the media do no proper journalism AKA to question things. You cannot compare to something that does not exist = safety data for mRNA vaccines. Honestly....the COVID-19 vaccination story has the potential to turn out as a new vaccination scandal with a scope that has never existed before.
Noone asked me what i think ........ and ignorant people keep putting words and ideas into my mouth that are not there . So ---- > https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/polio-vaccine-and-simian-virus ----- > ' Today, polio vaccines are screened for known viruses. ' Both the storys / links about vacine problems are irelevant . It was in the past and we've learnt from it . The only relevance is that in the past mistakes were made . Science is built on that = Experiments , testing , trial and error ....... and learning from mistakes . Nothing is , was or will be perfect . IMO ...... Gorski your the living proof that the corona virus isnt a real threat ........... because if it was you would have been arrested and shot for causing trouble , spreading ignorance and pouring oil on the fire . @Vacines I wont have any injection at least untill its been mass tested . I wont have any injection that causes changes to my cells . If it was a dead or harmless virus used to create antibodys and imunity that would be a different story for me . Question @ Yen . From the proposed and the existing vacines are any of them causing changes to cells / receptors . Sorry , in that direction my terminology isnt good . I mean ...........in germony there is a very large movement of people who reject anything thats been gene manipulated . Are any of the vacines going in that direction ? @ Masks and ' hygene ' . Yen ......... Very easy test for you . A demonstration for your students ......... but dont tell them whats going on .......... First thing in the morning you get them in the lab and turn the lights off . Then turn a UV light on . Then afterwards give them some experiments to do ........ from handling to distilation to purification ....... with something containing a flourescent substance ......... and then at the end of the day turn the lights off again and turn the UV light on I've worked in a lab for the last 35 years ......... doing sterile work ......... sometimes with a distiller / retort thats big enough to get an average hunman being in . 100 % sterility doesnt exist . It doesnt matter at what preasure the samples were sterilised at there were sometimes contamination . Usualy i work in just boxer shorts ......... when i dont have a mask on contamination is regular and hard to get rid of . When i put a mask on its rare . Most cases of contamination in a lab come from peoples breath / mouths , Second cause is things falling off the body ....... mainly from the head . The third cause is not wearing gloves . BUT ........ the only realy relevant one is wearing a mask . Its clear to see that the countrys with the biggest problems are the countrys where they dont have a functioning health system and / or the population is bolshy / egoistic and ignorant . For example little britain and the usa . Its clear to see that corona is not as dangerous as its made out to be by governments and the press . The problem is being politisised and blown out of proportion by the press . All we have to do is to compare the death rates and numbers of infected people in countrys with not functioning health systems ( third world ) , with countrys where the population largely follows hygene rules and the countrys where they dont .. Its clear to see that governments are not doing what they should be doing .......... for one because when theres a serious outbreak of a serious disease theres a standard procedure ......... wich china followed ........ and thats why they are one of the countrys that have the least problems . We see masses of idiotic ' studys ' wich are statisticly irelevant and / or just irelevant and / or are not and never will be peer revued . The ONLY study i've seen so far that might have any relevance was the chinese one with nearly a million participants . Its noticable that that didnt happen up untill now in other countrys . Austria has announced mass testing ......... other countrys are now also going in that direction ......... but ........ that should have happened right at the start Mass testing of a statisticaly relevant number of participants ......... maybe ten thousand randomly picked people get checked ......... and do it once a week / month ........ is the way to go . That would gather enough statistics to compare and show whats actualy going on . How many people have had it / have antibodys , how many are spreaders , how many have complications ......... and how many die ...... and how many recover . Its clear to see that governments are trying to hide behind vacines . Two scenarios = Either they got it right or wrong ? ......... and if a vacine comes we'ill never know that ......... because after a vacination campaign they ll say ......... ' Look , we helped you , we did the right thing ......... wich is proved because vacination has stoped the pandemic ' . Will it ? Did it ? Or was corona just blown out of all proportion and isnt as dangerous as we've been told . I said right from the start ......... wheres the pile of bodys ? The big death rate came from underfunded , overworked care homes , hospitals and places where vunerable people gather ......... ventilators that killed people ......... and stupid people who didnt ware masks ......... a lot of who are religeous groups with their services and .......... ' God will save us ' !!!
You don't understand because you don't want to face the truth which you already know and understand roflmao
Says the clown full of arrogance, arrogance ad infinitum, who thinks his rationale is absolutely correct and thinks science is the answer for anything including killing a divine power aka God or whatever you like to name.
Well, if you paid attention at all, with some IQ and good will, you would have seen me taking apart ANY claim, including scientific ones, criticising "scientism", i.e. replacing religion with "science" (although that is not science, strictly speaking).... So, in short, you're full of yourself, which comes across as arrogance, right and proper - but since it is all utterly unfounded, there is no weight of any kind to your scribbling, sorry.... A proper clown in all this - is you...
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While the Cycle Threshold has been ignored by the MSM, I got a feeling you are going to hear more about it. For the first time that I can remember a state Governor has required that all PCR tests now include it. I expect many more Governors to follow suit. And who knows, maybe the MSM might even pick up on it. I can think of several scenarios that might unfold but here's one to consider. Now that the Governor of Florida has mandated the reporting of the CT it won't be long before other Governors do the same. Not to be outdone by the guy on Florida. The testing agencies that are using 40 as a CT might be saying "Uh Oh" maybe we should reduce our threshold. BTW. I don't know who the companies are that do the testing, nor do I know what the most common CT is at present. But let's just assume for the moment there are tests that use a CT of maybe 35-40 for their PCR test. If this sort of mandate by the Florida Governor catches hold the testing companies might want to roll back they higher test cycles to a lower one to stay off the MSM radar. If this happens the positive cases will go down. And coincidently we now have various drug companies rolling out their vaccines. None of which will be able to improve on the Fatality rate of doing nothing, which is 0.025% where I live. No vaccine in the history has ever reached a 99.92 rate, yet that's what it will have to do to beat doing nothing. But if the CT rate at the testing labs is dropped from whatever it is now to a more reasonable rate like 25-30 then the infection rate will drop. And that's all the MSM reports anyway. So the testing labs quietly lower their CT rate gradually over time, and more and more of the big drug companies like Pfizer, Moderna and others roll out their vaccines the infection rate will fall as well. As it does, the politicians will declare "cautious optimism" of victory over the Covid-19 Pandemic at time goes on. Maybe, just maybe someone will point out the fact that 50% of the deaths from Covid-19 come from nursing home facilities and they might not want to include them in the final reported count, since people in Nursing Homes are there because they are expected to die soon anyway. Then if this scenario plays out, maybe next year, around the March-April time frame the Covid-19 virus might be declared "contained" and masks and social distancing and lock downs might be relaxed, or even eliminated. Interesting to see how this all plays out. Video has Faucci at 4:00 talking about CT's of 35 or more, https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-641/ Florida's new law. https://www.flhealthsource.gov/files/Laboratory-Reporting-CT-Values-12032020.pdf .
@Palladin The issue is that the CT's are STILL not standardized and not validated. Since it's a RT-PCR you get results for each amount of cycles in real time. It depends on the labs which amount they choose, in other words: (I have criticized that many times before): While one test can turn out being positive another lab can declare it as negative using another threshold. Furthermore a positive PCR test says nothing about virulence, not to mention if you are suffering from COVID-19, the illness. A PCR-test at proper diagnostic is only used to confirm an illness determined by anamnesis, the specific symptoms and additional diagnostics, but never alone. You could 'create' a far more harmless 'impression' of COVID-19 infections toady without any vaccination already by lowering the CTs. Since it only detects chosen sequences of the virus it also detects viruses which have been already inactivated by antibodies. I assume if you have a high CT you even won't be able to determine if a vaccine has taken action or not. You still will be declared as being PCR positive. A quick antibody test (IgG and IgM) would also fail (indicating being positive) since a vaccination itself is producing antibodies. To prove efficacy at low fatality rates (areas with low fatality rates) is statistically hard either way. And a vaccination for medical personal can even turn out being fatal. In that way that the personal don't get any symptoms but is still able to spread the virus to vulnerable patients anyway. (Which are more prone to a lower viral load due to co-morbidities). Thank you for your contribution. Finally another one who thinks about the matter I already had several postings here. If you want we can discuss a bit more about. I am always open for other people's POV on the matter.
Its clear to see that corona is not as dangerous as its made out to be by governments and the press.....WHAT dude one person dies every 30 seconds now in the US....please put down the crack pipe and check yourself into a rehab!!!!
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>Its clear to see that corona is not as dangerous as its made out to be by governments and the press.....WHAT dude one person dies every 30 seconds now in the US....please put down the crack pipe and check yourself into a rehab!!!! Please stop ( baseless ) personal attacks and insults . Why are you attacking me ? For saying that the press and governments are not dealing with the situation properly and are blowing it out of proportion ? Why are you attacking me and acusing me of saying things that i havent said ? @ Thread ...... Today the BBC said that corona wont be beaten untill everyone has been vacinated . Questions @ Yen ---- > From the proposed and the existing vacines are any of them causing changes to cells / receptors . Sorry , in that direction my terminology isnt good . I mean ...........in germony there's a very large movement of people who reject anything thats been gene manipulated . Are any of the vacines going in that direction ? If it works on an RNA level and not DNA that means that the vacine will have to be administered regularly = At the latest every 7 years ? If people have already had covid 19 they dont need to be vacinated ? If people have already had another member of the covid family they have /might have some imunity ?
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Stop attacking me ansd stop the personal insuts . I dont use crack and i havent pushed any conspiracys
Insult him too. I am the one pushing conspiracy FACTS here. And they are properly written even English is not my native tongue. Or I mite mite or mite yeah mite, did I say MITE? have a heart attack for conspiraloonie.
"From the proposed and the existing vacines are any of them causing changes to cells / receptors . Sorry , in that direction my terminology isnt good . I mean ...........in germony there's a very large movement of people who reject anything thats been gene manipulated . Are any of the vacines going in that direction ?" The idea that mRNA vaccines could alter the genome is an argument coming from conspiracy adherents. mRNA are genetic vaccines, yes...but. mRNA vaccines cannot change human genome. They do not reach / enter the nucleus where human DNA is located. RNA and DNA is not compatible. Theoretically there are other viruses which can transcribe RNA to DNA, but therefore you need to have such viruses in body. It never has been practically observed, though. Another thing are DNA vaccines themselves which are also developed to fight SARS-CoV2. They could make DNA insertions in the nucleus and therefore change the human genome. (and that might cause mutations / cancer). Such vaccines are not very far developed for SARS-CoV2. "If it works on an RNA level and not DNA that means that the vacine will have to be administered regularly = At the latest every 7 years ?" How long a vaccination lasts is not dependent on kind of vaccine. See my post: https://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/coronavirus-discussion.81224/page-83#post-1634249 It's not even clear if the vaccination approach is working at all at COVID-19. I assume if yes, then vaccination every 1-2 years maybe. But not the usual long period we already know from other vaccinations (up to 10 years)..... "If people have already had covid 19 they dont need to be vacinated ?" The Chinese study posted by Mr.X figured a re-positive rate 0.31%, but all asymptomatic and non-virulent. It seems once infected you are immune to COVID-19 and 0.31% get virus positive again, but without getting any symptoms of COVID-19 and they also cannot infect others by it. The answer is a clear NO to vaccination, all the more not at this early stage of development. Being recovered from COVID-19 is the best state one can have for now. "If people have already had another member of the covid family they have /might have some imunity ?" You either have pre-immunity from other coronaviruses (AKA cross-immunity) or you have immunity to SARS-CoV2, but to get the latter you need to be infected by SARS-CoV2. There are many many cases in families where one marriage partner is suffering from COVID-19 and the other one stays immune to COVID-19 even when there is still usual exchange of affection and sex. It seems many have pre-immunities and therefore an asymptomatic progress of infection. And as we know now clearly. (Chinese study 300 asymptomatic persons all non-virulent) People without symptoms of COVID-19 cannot infect other people. The viral load is by far too low, at least for a healthy person.
@ Yen ....... Thank you . You've confirmed what i was thinking . The questions were also a little bit sugestive ........ to provoke people to think . I said 7 years because if a vacine doesnt work on a DNA level the changes it makes are not permanent .......... and 7 years is about the time it takes for the body to replace most of its cells . Part of what i'm trying to point out is .......... we dont have enough statistics to compare or make any conclusions . And rushing a vacine out to everyone will stop us ever doing that = We'll never know how bad it was and we'll never know if the measures that have been introduced were sensible ........ but governments have given themselves more powers = taken away more of our rights and freedom and afterwards will be in a position to say ........ ' It was terrible but we saved you with the vacine ' . The BBC news said that everyone must have the vacine or it wont work = WTF !!! NOONE will force me to have any vacine and i wont be vacinated before its been show to be nesecery . If people have already had covid 19 or a member of that family or ........ maybe ........ if other vacines for example flu vacines or other diseases have helped in any way to make people less suceptable to infection and / or to lower the severity of the infection .......... it makes no sense to vacinate everyone . IF we take a representive sample of society .......... and look at how many are already imune / partly imune ........ how many actualy get ill and dont get sever symptoms ......... and how many who do have severe symptoms that recover ......... how many people are we actualy talking about that need the vacine ? It must be relatively small = Why should we vacinate everyone ? @ The comercial side ........ the pharma industry has now got a monopoly ......... an egg laying , wool , milk , sau ........ that has to buy their products every few years ........ forever .