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  1. case-sensitive

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    >Imagine if the drive of the pharmaceutical corporations for ever greater profit was removed from the equation. Imagine if we could replace cutthroat competition and secrecy with collaboration and openness. Imagine if our research was driven solely by the desire to rid the world of disease and suffering, starting with the most serious and deadly conditions. When combined with our technological knowhow, the dedication of our brilliant researchers and the trust which such a model could inspire in the population at large, imagine what we could achieve.

    Hippy .
     
  2. parafer

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    You defend his actions. You don't denounce them. In fact, your reply beams with approval. To quote you:

    "I am a man of my principles and justice so that everything is within the framework of morality and ethics!" <-- morality and ethics is to defend the vile, and accuse the abused of being NSA agents and provocateurs. But you don't see Mr. X's incessant, rigorless posts as provocative, even if they stand against reason itself. You have shown yourself by saying this.

    Then you say "you are lucky to be writing this" <-- which is you saying I could (or should?) have been dead but that I'm lucky to be alive to be writing this. Morality and ethics, again. Implicit threats toward ending lives to make your baseless, prejudiced points against someone.

    I know people are different, that is why I discuss with them. Not threaten and curse them. You frame this as though I'm surprised and that I don't know what life is like. His words are not unrealistic or surprising to you, but you find my response to them surprising. You can't get any more morally twisted than that.

    People are indeed different. But what he said is not bad to you, because: morality and ethics. This is how you want people to be treated because it is the "moral" and "ethical" thing to do.
     
  3. Mr.X

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    #1805 Mr.X, Dec 27, 2020
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    An American scientist warned pharmaceutical companies of an ingredient in COVID-19 vaccines that could cause a "pandemic of new autoimmune diseases"

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/VntXNdJHUG08/

    SHAME ON YOU BIG PHARMA!
    SHAME ON YOU ASSASSINS!

    DR. JAMES LYONS-WEILER, BRAVE MAN
    BRAVO!!¡
     
  6. vladnil

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    Now you just do not understand what I wanted to say with my post!
    I will not answer veiled
    (People don't take what is said close, what is written?
    What is written is not a document and does not bear legal force!
    It is also written on the fence)
    If I paid attention to all the statements addressed to me, I shot everyone for a long time:(

    Well written text is tolerant :D:D:D
    He didn't come to your house with a gun and didn't stand near the door?:eek:
    Then everything is fine ……… .this is life
    You are like children
     
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  7. parafer

    parafer MDL Member

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    ^^ This is what happens when you have no intellectual and emotional accountability -- not even to yourself ^^

    You don't have to be a person of integrity. But then you shouldn't have agreed to the forum rules.
     
  8. Pl dont fight brothers . result is nothing in return :)
    pl be happy n stay blessed always .

    Happy New Year 2021 in Advance
     
  9. parafer

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    It's about forum rules. These rules ensure you may not be cursed at, insulted, demeaned, threatened, abused. Nor one's mother, father, children.You agreed to it when you became a member. Mr. X broke all those rules (and I hear this isn't the only time). And some defend him for having done it. That is not fighting. That is standing up for what is right. You can join the good people and stand with them. Don't conflate me with people hurling curses at people. My "brother" never told me my mother was a bitch or prostitute. Or that I should die of covid. Or that my father and children die of covid. Don't defend it. Stand up against it. Then you will have a blessed 2021, knowing you have done what is right. Do you understand now? You know what he did is trash. So act accordingly.
     
  10. Pl calm down brother . Have a glass full of chilled water or cold drink . stay blessed & happy always.
     
  11. parafer

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    I am calm. But for your benefit, conflating the good and the bad does not calm people. It frustrates them. Bless the people in 2021 by not engaging in false equivalency ;)
     
  12. Mr.X

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    WORLD DOCTORS ALLIANCE

    UNITING AROUND THE WORLD WITH INTEGRITY AND RIGHT ACTION.


    https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/

    They defend the controversial drug Hydroxychloroquine.
     
  13. Yen

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    #1813 Yen, Dec 27, 2020
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    I completely agree with that. When I posted pro 'Swedish way' I associated it to Germany as being right there as well. At other nations it is different.

    Thanks. Most Swedes are happy btw. with their politics...and I can fairly comprehend that they are fed up with another vaccination approach.

    And would it be the British way it are even lots of more victims, I mean what's the point of this far fetched comparison?
    It cannot be related to other nations with given reasons, such comparisons are automatically disqualified.

    Never heard of Buddhist ideology propagating 'suffering is good'...it's rather "One cause of suffering is delusion"....delusion of mind and fear correlates...as seen at current politics about GB strain.

    Well, I actually did not want to argue. It's just my personal opinion about.:)

    Let's rather come to something I almost predicted and I am very happy about this news:

    "Covid PCR test reliability doubtful – Portugal judges"

    https://www.theportugalnews.com/new...st-reliability-doubtful-portugal-judges/56962

    Red and underlined IS exactly what I concurred with.

    If you read the entire article, there are still 'scientists' who are upset about the verdict, though.
    At least people are starting to wake up and do recognize that the PCR testing as it still is is a scientific (diagnostic) mess.:)
     
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  14. gorski

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    Oh, that's sweet - every nation responds differently to C-19? Wow! So, we can not possibly see fabulous results Vietnam has, as relevant because they are.... "Oriental", is that it? Crickey! Can you get any more Eurocentric or Capitalist, then?

    You really do not know what you are saying. I actually lived there for 3 1/2 years and this superficial nonsense is totally missing the target and the issues at hand!

    First of all you are standing up to "most of scientists and doctors, nurses etc. - who are all wrong" BUT WHEN IT SUITS YOU you are drawing strength from "argumentum ad consensus gentium"? Jeez, talk about a "puzzled, allegedly scientific brain... Could you be jumping into your own stomach any stronger?!? :rolleyes: :D :p :D

    Much more importantly: how about asking the families of those who died needlessly, so everyone else can go on as before, rather than being "inconvenienced"...? Ahhh but their perspective is irrelevant. Suffering is OK, as it is but an illusion...

    Heh, very funny! There is no British way! It's a muddle, as per usual... You should actually understand what you are judging, FCOL...

    You are definitively deluded when it comes to C-19, so you just as well convince yourself this is all irrelevant, since it's all but a delusion... But the numbers don't lie. If you care to see them... Obviously, you do not but that's all irrelevant anyhow - it's all but a delusion... Which brings me to the next logical question: if it is a delusion, why do you bother and argue against those who actually care?!? Remnants of that pesky European "EGO", still raising its ugly head - it must be pacified with the "suffering is delusional" story...

    And you keep arguing it! Pig-headed as you are, a very stubborn way of completely ignoring that which doesn't fit, willing to ignore the suffering of so many... Since it is but a delusion... But it takes quite a special mindset which can ignore so many people dead and suffering, Yen. So many and yet... somehow, inexplicably to me, I must say, you still claim empathy, I presume...???

    We all knew that, for a while, that it isn't perfect. And? What is the alternative?

    No one ever claimed it is without a flaw! And what is the alternative? More suffering, Vicar? Ummm, it's yum! You should try it yourself...
     
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  15. parafer

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    Yen uses "Swedish Way" as example function, then says other countries are different, can't compare or apply. Count me as speechless :D That is exactly what I told him. Then he gaslights further by bringing up my own point against him and puts it back on us, saying: "It cannot be related to other nations with given reasons, such comparisons are automatically disqualified." He even calls it "far-fetched comparisons." I will not engage further with this futile exercise, Yen, maybe just look into the forum issue I notified you about, since you're admin?
     
  16. vladnil

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    #1816 vladnil, Dec 28, 2020
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    I always cite Belarus as an example, where people live and work without masks and terror.
    Lukashenka said back in May that Corona is an ordinary flu.
    I myself think that the Corona is a fake inspired by the media.
    The crown is a method of making rams out of people and herding them into the stall!
    You all have one problem - you don't communicate with people.
    Therefore, you come up with all sorts of theories.

    PS:
    I think you shouldn't dwell on the Corona problem - and wind yourself up.
    Because of this, people become angry, worried.
    It's like you walk down the street and some person hit you, just like that, maybe he didn't like you?
    You came home and begin to screw yourself up and unwind what happened.
    And here's the task, a person has been gone for a long time, but he still lives in your head, and for some he lives for years.
    So people get nervous breakdowns just out of the blue!
     
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    Its Us to Decide Who We Are :)
     
  18. vladnil

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    #1818 vladnil, Dec 28, 2020
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    Corona virus -:)
    Now a more pressing problem has emerged.
    Server build 20270 fe_release.server.201124-1455
    Distributed P2P traffic exchange goes through Wireshark.
    I have no way to trace the ends of the P2P where is it going?
    But in my opinion Microsoft is introducing a new scheme for collecting information.
    If you are familiar with a word like Binary Viruses.
    In fact, part of the code is harmless, but when merged via the Internet (pulls up the missing code), a workable dll is obtained, that is, a worm, where telemetry is a kindergarten.
    Collecting traffic sniffer data for now!
    I will add:
    The system was made for Child Games.
    All server parts are napalm cut
    Updates and all features are disabled via Debotnet
    Defender removed
    Only drivers loaded
    There is nothing from the programs, a completely empty system, except for Wireshark.
    Routine test of the system, leaving it alone for 24 hours shows a drain of traffic in an unknown direction P2P
    The Leak Isn't Just Bytes? And 70 megabytes each in the first 24 hours.
    I can't prove that there is no end point of traffic drain -
    Not caught, not a thief
    Shameful wolves overlaid !!!
     
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  20. Yen

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    #1820 Yen, Dec 28, 2020
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    Gorski related values and clearly propagated a defined outcome "If all the countries of the world were as 'successful' as Sweden, the world would have had 4,5 million people dead, instead of 1 million".

    This I considered far fetched. And your reasons why do apply.
    You should stick to the original context!

    I clearly quoted Gorski's bit with his clear outcome and declared THAT comparison as being far-fetched! and "It cannot be related to other nations with given reasons, such comparisons are automatically disqualified."
    Look, I posted on your request this post with my summary: https://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/coronavirus-discussion.81224/page-87#post-1637127

    And when It came to 'the Swedish way' I said it covers most of it I posted there. That's why I specified in association to Germany. And yes at other nations it is different.
    Just let's put the Swedish way aside. I clearly stick to my own summary. ;)

    The 'British way' is anything (measures) their govt did or did not. It exists very well. Is it that hard to figure what I wanted to say?

    To finally change it and do what the court has administered! Everywhere. Not only in Portugal.
    I have said it already and it also is part of the Portuguese verdict. You can clearly read there what they judged.

    It seems I have to explain the very basics of science to those who are comparing numbers of PCR tests and numbers of people who have died by or with COVID-19 within different nations AND to what they should mean!
    We have scientific laws (4 fundamental forces) and definitions.
    It's about the latter.

    What is one UNIT? For instance one meter or one kilogram?
    And what do they mean?

    -We define units by amount and meaning.
    One kilogram is a defined bunch of mass = one UNIT to that we all compare to.
    One meter is a defined bunch of length = one UNIT to that we all compare to.

    So we all speak of the same
    Amount AND meaning.

    At PCR values and fatality values nothing applies. Neither amount nor meaning!

    In other words when speaking of one PCR and another one PCR 'count' they are not the same by quantity!
    And it neither MEANS infection nor COVID-19 nor virulence. (Quality).

    The quality issue is huge. The scientific paper clearly figured. When having a Ct of 35 ONLY 3% of the positives are virulent. The Drosten PCR paper even suggests a Ct of 45!

    Do you really get what that means????

    Our 'measurement system' which we use to compare and to spot infection waves, yeah even use it to spot differences IN different nations, use it to compare fatalities, is not validated, not standardized.
    Our politics on COVID-19 is based on scientific arbitrariness.

    And the Portuguese court finally administered justice. I was so happy reading that!

    People are dumb enough wondering....oh there is a nation with very low rates. What did they differently?
    Nutrition, medication, supplements? Politics?

    NO. Their own measurement system RESULTS to lower values!
    That easy!
    That reasonable, because it is not based on standards!

    The differences of Vietnam, Thailand to Europe are mostly because of different ways in the measurement system. (far lower testing rate, lower CT value).

    They stay at home until it really gets bad. ONLY then they seek medical advice / go to hospital.
    They have symptoms of COVID-19 already and THEN they get tested and counted.

    A doctor makes the diagnosis and reports the numbers and not the PCR testing alone!
    This is proper diagnostic. No absurd mass testing of people!
    And it works this way because when being asymptomatic you CANNOT spread the virus, period!

    Nobody of them get counted there. And nobody of them spreads virus.
     
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