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  1. Mr.X

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    Your statements are repeatedly pronunced by many experts on many fields. Mouthmasks are pure psychological control.
     
  2. case-sensitive

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    Anyone want to buy some second hand op masks realy realy cheep ?
     
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    Overall, we rate Summit News Questionable based on Extreme Right-wing bias, promotion of conspiracies, misleading and unproven stories, and a complete lack of transparency.

    Launched in March 2019, Summit News is a far-right conspiracy website. Like most questionable sources this website does not have an about page nor disclosure of ownership. The primary writer appears to be Paul Joseph Watson, who is a former editor for the conspiracy website Infowars. Although not disclosed, Paul Joseph Watson appears to be the owner and editor of this website. Further, Summit News has been banned on Facebook.

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/summit-news/
     
  5. Mr.X

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    So says you and mediabiasfactcheck.com
    Who gives them authority to say what's true or false.
     
  6. Mr.X

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    #1906 Mr.X, Jan 27, 2021
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    Medical Doctor Warns that “Bacterial Pneumonias Are on the Rise” from Mask Wearing

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/medical-doctor-warns-bacterial-pneumonias-rise-mask-wearing/5725848
     
  7. Tiger-1

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    hmm well i personally never trusted wearing a mask, just follow the government’s determination ... ;)
     
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    #1911 Mr.X, Jan 27, 2021
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    This. Just because Abortion Gates says so we must agree. Haha yeah right.
     
  12. MS_User

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    go tell that to the doctors and nurses who deal with this virus everyday.
     
  13. Mr.X

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    Go tell that to professional scientists with higher knowledge than medicine doctors repeatedly informing the opposite.
     
  14. case-sensitive

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    #1914 case-sensitive, Jan 28, 2021
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    The Robert Koch Institute has advised the german government not to give the astrazeneca vacine to people over 65 ---- >

    Tomorrow, the third corona vaccine is expected to be approved in the EU - that of the preparation from the British-Swedish manufacturer Astrazeneca. But in Germany it should only be given to people between 18 and 64 years of age. This is recommended by the Standing Vaccination Commission (Stiko) of the Robert Koch Institute.

    "There is currently insufficient data available to assess the effectiveness of vaccinations from 65 years of age," says a draft by Stiko. "Apart from this limitation, this vaccine is also considered to be equally suitable." The Astrazeneca vaccine is to be given in two doses nine to twelve weeks apart.

    https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/corona-stiko-astrazeneca-impfstoff-100.html
     
  15. Yen

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    #1915 Yen, Jan 28, 2021
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    The AstraZeneca vaccine has major disadvantages one should take into consideration.

    -The study has been halted due to 2 cases of transverse myelitis.(One case is reported at Phase III)
    -There has been 2 separate studies with questionable way of calculation overall efficacy although there were 2 different doses plans.
    -The growth of the genetic engineered adeno vector virus is realized by using a human foetal cell line from a deliberate abort.
    -Adeno viruses are DNA based and interact with human cell's nucleus. DNA insertions have occurred although to a very low percentage. What that means is still unknown.

    All those concerns can be scientifically referenced:
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32661-1/fulltext
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...sment-report-for-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine
    -(HEK) 293 cells: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEK_293_cells

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12109211/

    "Recent studies have shown that replication-incompetent adenoviral vectors randomly integrate into host chromosomes at frequencies of 0.001-1% of infected cells."

    My thoughts:

    Transverse myelitis. Is a severe adverse effect. Since causality cannot be excluded this has to be taken seriously.
    2 Studies at 2 different cohorts (UK and Brazil) with 2 different doses plan: Efficacy cannot be combined, it is unprofessional to do so. (Around 90% here and around 60% there).

    Using (HEK) 293 cells: Although I have no religious, ethical or moral objections, there is really no need to use such anymore. You can transfer cells into native cells to use them to grow the vector virus. For that researchers got the noble price.
    DNA insertions: What is actually falsely used as an argument against mRNA vaccines applies here, though. What's the long term consequences (triggering cancer related genes) is not known.
     
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  16. MS_User

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    the professionals from your BS fake conspiracy sites were u get your info.....walk into any hospital in world now and see how many of our health care people are walking around unprotected....so stop talking s**t and spreading flat out lies.
     
  17. Mr.X

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    Indecent started biting decent citizens. Wow evolution giving canines to sheep.
     
  18. Yen

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    It makes no sense to argue against the person! The matter masks is not black / white (as most of other matters are not).
    One should argue against the references one has used to underline a statement!

    Masks are not masks. And situations to wear those are different. (Small rooms / out of doors etc)
    Self made masks are useless. FFP2 and FFP3 can protect. Proper use is important.
    And when referring to a study use reputable authors and peer-reviewed studies.
    There are study designs where they turn out being useless and there are study designs where they show effects.
    The question is always: How does the study design apply to real life situations?

    Is it sufficient to force people wearing one? IMHO no, it should be voluntarily. But that is just opinion. I am used to wear masks due to my job. They do protect in that way that they minimize risks at work.

    But when it comes to personal opinions we have our own. To fight is useless.:hug2:
     
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  19. Tiger-1

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    yep
     
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  20. case-sensitive

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    >Self made masks are useless.

    That's a stupid statement ......... wich self made ones ? ......... and why useless ? .......... You mean theoreticly not as effective ........... BUT :) ........... as you say ---- > ' Proper use is important. ' ........... The PP2 masks offer better protection because they have finer pores .......... if useed properly ............ BUT ......... the blue op masks are absolutely useless because they dont close onto the face properly ........ they're open on both sides of the nose , often also the cheeks ......... and sometimes under the chin ........... and look how many people ' cover ' their noses but not realy :) ............ when those people breath the air doesnt come through the mask ...... it comes in and out through those spaces .......... want proof ? ...... then look at people who wear a blue mask and wear glasses .......... the glasses often get steamed up ......... wich wouldnt happen if the masks were effective / usefull .

    We've been driven into actionism and ordered to wear expensive and useless blue op masks to stop a spike in infections ........... that wasnt caused because people use scarfs ......... it was caused because we always have more respiratory illnesses in winter ...... and ...... we just had crapmass where lots of people got together .

    = It would be better to ban crapmass than to force people to wear useless masks .