[DISCUSSION] Linux Mint

Yeah , Mint no longer feels innovative , it just feels like a pointless reskinning theme or as someone else put it a Fat bloated Elvis Presley impersonator living in yesterday.

That may just sound like Mint hate but until recently Mint was my daily driver and it's still installed on friends and family computers.

 

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@TinMan , yep, and thanks for the info. I tested out Mint Xfce 19 a bit. It's nice, no hate, but it did inherit the bugs from Ubuntu 18.04 as expected. Example, the mouse sensitivity slider does absolutely nothing (in Xfce) and it has WAY too much acceleration. It can be tamed via some system file tweaking, but that's beyond the scope of this post. Removal of gksu has broken gdebi, system-config-samba, etc. Using the menu editor reports invalid/broken menu entries. All Ubuntu problems from months ago still in Mint. May as well use *buntu instead, where things may get fixed sooner.

 

@Dude Guyman - I can't comment on the Xfce edition, because I am using the Cinnamon edition. But, after reading so many comments on the Linux Mint blog, with a lot of bugs reported, I've decided to keep 18.3 Cinnamon on my main computer. I've installed the LM 19 Cinnamon BETA on my wife's laptop and it didn't feel right in the beginning. But, as the final version was released today, I've run the commands from my previous post and I'm going to give it a couple of more weeks and then decide whether I'm going to keep it or reinstall the 18.3 from scratch. To be realistic, bugs were to be expected, as this is based on the Ubuntu 18.04 LTS code base, so it is going to take some time for the LM development team to squash most of them. Of course, this depends on the upstream bug fixes, from the Ubuntu developers.
I am happy with Cinnamon and, for me personally, it is a great DE. I never had any issues with it. On the other hand, I don't like Gnome's way of doing things and it's paradigm, so I'll stick with Linux Mint and Cinnamon for a while. So, as you say, it's not personal, it's just the matter of preferences
But then again, I'm going to get an ssd in a couple of weeks, so I just might give Ubuntu 18.04 Gnome a try, with a dash-to-panel extension, as our friend, Ubuntu fanboi, @taylorlawson suggested...

 

Hi TinMan, how are you dude, I hope that all 100% fine bro

 

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Hey @Tiger-1! Apart from the fact that I've had a major issue with my car engine and that it's going to cost me a fortune to repair I'm fine, thank you! How's everything in Brazil? Best of luck for your National Team against Mexico!

 

I decided to slap Mint 19 Xfce on my second PC and give it a whirl for a while. It seems ok...lots of errors (harmless I think) during boot and "start job running" in red text that takes a loooong time. Meh.

I also disabled "Suspend" and a couple reboots later it was back. That is annoying.

 

No problem here with suspend to disk / ram :

Suspend-to-disk

Code:

sudo mv -v /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/com.ubuntu.enable-hibernate.pkla /
Reboot computer (in certain configuration you could have directory error )

Suspend-to-ram

Code:

sudo touch /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/90-mandatory.d/disable-suspend.pkla

Code:

xed admin:///etc/polkit-1/localauthority/90-mandatory.d/disable-suspend.pkla

copy/past the following text

Code:

[Disable suspend (upower)]
Identity=unix-user:*
Action=org.freedesktop.upower.suspend
ResultActive=no
ResultInactive=no
ResultAny=no

[Disable suspend (logind)]
Identity=unix-user:*
Action=org.freedesktop.login1.suspend
ResultActive=no

[Disable suspend for all sessions (logind)]
Identity=unix-user:*
Action=org.freedesktop.login1.suspend-multiple-sessions
ResultActive=no

Save, close and make a FULL reboot.


windsman.

 

That's what I did. The result was that the "com.ubuntu.enable-hibernate.pkla" didn't exist (so I assume it is already disabled), and the disable-suspend.pkla part worked but after a few reboots suspend was back in the shutdown screen but the disable-suspend.pkla file was still there so...no idea. Doesn't matter, I was just tinkering with it anyway. I'll stay with Xubuntu.

 

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Linux Mint users often tell me they use Mint because it looks nice. Well, with all the trouble you seem to go into getting it to work, you all could hop onto Debian tomorrow and spin a few tweaks and you'd not notice the difference except for the sudden stability you would have gained. Usually, there is a small learning curve for some to adapt Debian, even though it is what Ubuntu and Mint are built from, but I'm confident you've all already overcome that curve with the effort you've been using just to keep Mint going. lol

In my opinion, there really is no learning curve, although some folks would claim there is one since you have to install a few deb files (really that is it). But reading over the trouble some of you have been running into with Mint, I really imagine you wish it was only that easy. lol

 

I like Ubuntu and is derivatives but GOD666 is right, Debian is rock solid and so stable in comparison. I use MX Linux [was Mepis] which is a branch of Debian, its very reliable, easy to install, your up and running in no time. I really liked Linux Lite but the Ubuntu base is a weakness, I wont go there again unless they decide to use Debian to build on.

 

As a linux mint user for a few years now I must say I'm disappointed in the new release Mint 19. IMO it seems they are going in the wrong direction with this distro....more restrictive. I dislike the update system with Timeshift. Poorly implemented.I preferred the choice of security updates only in the latter releases. When Mint went to v18 a lot of the excellent themes did not work and the available themes were basically limited to what was offered on the cinnamon spices site. Now the RAVEfinity Ambiance & Radiance Colors Suite don't work, I got to say 18.3 will be the last version for me unless they change their direction. Currently I'm playing around with KDE Neon which I think will be replacing Mint.

 

Most are built on debian anyway so stuff all these me too distros, im going to the source. Good to hear its stable

 

If your new to this go with MX and progress to Debian, if you jump straight in with Debian it could put you off. Its ok saying "just add a few deb files" you have to know what you want and need first. Most distros are not built on Debian, most are built on Ubuntu, they are not the same animal.

 

But oobuntu is built on debian i thought. Going to use debian live dvd 1st and see how i get on. Havnt got a clue what mx is apart from a missile.

 

Debian and Ubuntu are developed by different groups, Ubuntu is moving further away from Debian, the latest release of Ubuntu is not great and this is having a negative impact on all the Ubuntu based distros. Dont moan about Mint, its the base system thats flawed, Linux Lite's latest release is unusable on my PC, I know thats down to Ubuntu, not the Lite developer.