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  1. LastRaven

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    #641 LastRaven, Sep 30, 2018
    You should try XFCE/LXQT or OpenBox (slightly complex).
    They are very resource efficient and appropriate for old PCs.
    It's true that XFCE hasn't had much development progress, thus people call it "dead" and what not, but what is there to change? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
    Mint hasn't had a good track record in security and other stuff though, and while it's friendly, I'd suggest moving to something like Xubuntu/Lubuntu.
     
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    #642 Deleted member 1148184, Oct 1, 2018
    XFCE along MATE are probably the most stable DE, never had a crash on it, but they need compton to suppress tearing.
     
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    #643 VDev, Oct 2, 2018
    @Hugefiang 4GB is enough for smooth operation on XFCE4.x. I personally use Xubuntu 18 on high end machine and low end because its simple and intuitive UI. Gnome is heavy sometimes. Its better to clean install if you're trying different DE.
    You can add some extra RAM too if you like Gnome and others. Only downside to xfce is lack of HiDPI scaling. Gnome simply kills it anyday. I took nearly 2 hours to make icons bigger for HiDPI sort of, its FHD display.
     
  4. ThomasMann

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    #644 ThomasMann, Oct 5, 2018

    Just a question for my own information.
    Your start up time of 1 min 30 sec sounds ridiculous. Are you using an HDD or an SSD?
    I am thinking of installing mint on my laptop to learn, but if it is taking that long with an SSD, than I will simply forget it at once....

    Thanks...
     
  5. Yen

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    #645 Yen, Oct 5, 2018
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    He must still have a real slow HDD.

    Mint boots way faster than w7. Furthermore it shuts down way faster.

    From grub (bootmanager) to login screen it takes less than 10 seconds (SATA III)....Kubuntu as well far below 10 seconds..I'd guess 6 seconds to login and 1-2 more to get to desktop after entering PW.

    On old PCs the P.O.S.T. takes similar time in advance.

    And what matters most using an encrypted partition is the time you need to enter your unlock password. LUKS encrypted volumes are booting fast as well...what takes a bit more time is to get to unlock volume screen (after kernel has booted).....
     
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  6. ThomasMann

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    #646 ThomasMann, Oct 5, 2018
    Speed is not really the issue, my Win 7 takes eight seconds until Ff opens.
    I am always torn between the comfort of Win 7 and my dislike of anything MS.
    I am reading Linux in Easy Steps, 6th Edition by Mike Mcgrath right now... looks very easy and usable so far. Maybe on the next rainy day I will try the Mint/Cinnamon combination on my second laptop, seems that is the best combination for a windows user. Its always good to learn new things.
    And just in case....I will keep a Win 7 copy if I want to return there...
     
  7. Yen

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    #647 Yen, Oct 6, 2018
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    This is the right approach.
    We are talking about an event that takes time. It's about changing old (rational) habits. It's no replacement (taking away common stuff) at first place.

    The Linux distro is an addition first. And I always recommend dual boot / dual use together with the 'common' OS.

    It's about getting old habits along with alternatives to recognize that 'new' OS can be an enrichment.
    Fun doing that has to be 'the counterpart' of the perceived 'efforts'.
    If the latter is prevailing there is no process of a long term change.

    I do not want to annoy you with psychological stuff but...

    I am speaking of own experiences. My first try for Ubuntu was 8 years ago. Did not 'convince'. I stuck to win.
    Getting familiar with Android (which is Linux related), an own Linux based server and with the aversion to w10 there was 'enough' fun to make the change on desktop PC at home.
    It's never a complete change, though. My profession requires to administrate windows clients as well.

    But I take MDL as a place where we have the opportunity to get people here where they can contribute to that matter. Also people who feel uncomfortable at 'Nix forums for whatever own reasons. And we are a few already contributing here.

    Linux has become a major part of MDL literally MY digital life. :)
    I use win whenever I have to use my paid win apps. (Also my paid win games)
    And most scientific apps we're running are windows apps. One device (NMR) runs completely on a Linux distro, though.

    At home I am booting Kubuntu (90%) already. It's fun and a real alternative, but still with the issues I have posted already. Mint IMO is the most recommended for newcomers, though. It ever was reliable when I used it.

    Feel free to post whenever you have questions about Mint. I have used it until July (2 years) and now I am on Kubuntu. Wanted to have new fancy and cool looking KDE plasma desktop. :D

    Whenever I have got new info about the Linux distro I currently used I contributed (Nvidia blank screen Mint 17 etc, etc)....also about useful workarounds.
     
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    #648 ThomasMann, Oct 8, 2018
    I of course understand your "psychological" argument, but it does not really work here. Too many MS problems are getting on my nerves and so I always have more than just the necessary motivation to switch to Linux... Suse, Debian Ubuntu, Mint... tried them all.
    My aversion to Linux stems from the fact that I do not "work" with computers, I use them as a medium for my usual daíly interests, which is easy with Windows. Using Linux, every day you have stop what you actually want to do, and as a beginner waste plenty of time to learn how to do the simplest things (simplest on Win). And that usually mostly because of the lack of good will to help in Linux Forums, and their utterly incapability as far as didactics goes. Their explanations usually use a lingo that only someone will understand who already knows, and would have not have to ask that question in the first place.
    Anything that might be resolved in two minutes requires eight mails and in my case, having to get a new account under a different name there, because I get banned, because I have an allergy to stupidty :mad:
    But then....Those were my pre-MDL days.

    Next rainy day... I will start on Mint Cinnamon... :cool:
     
  9. ThomasMann

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    #649 ThomasMann, Oct 17, 2018
    As I assumed, I am back.
    I rufussed the Mint-iso and wanted to install it, once I was asked. What I was not asked was WHERE I wanted to install ist, as there are two SSDs inside the computer, the C: with Win 7 installed, the other E: empty and ready for Linux.
    How do I proceed?
     
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    #650 Yen, Oct 17, 2018
    Drives such as SSDs are reported natively by the BIOS / SATA bus. Anything 'later' such as drive letters are mounts of created partitions already.

    Since I did no backup of windows and wanted to be absolutely sure I install it on the new SSD I unplugged any other SSD/HDD first before I ran the live boot session. (Better safe than sorry). Then I have chosen "Erase disk and install Linux mint".
    By doing that I could play without to be worried about mistakes. I still do it that way when I re-install.
    If you have 2 SSDs plugged I guess it will let choose you on which one after you have selected "Erase disk and install Linux mint" and continued...but that I have NOT tried.

    After installation I plugged all drives again. I am using the BIOS boot menu which OS to boot otherwise as default which is Linux. This method does not write an own boot menu entry for win (grub).

    My PC boots to Linux when doing nothing. When pressing F8 to call the BIOS boot order menu I can choose.

    If you are familiar with 'Nix naming of devices and want to have full manual control of partitioning choose "Something Else".
    You need to be absolutely sure to identify the right (empty SSD). This can be a bit of challenge when having the same SSD twice.

    Each device gets another letter starting from a
    /dev/sda
    /dev/sdb

    Partitions on those then get additional numbers
    /dev/sda1
    /dev/sda2

    The numbers sda1-4 are reserved for "primary" partitions.
     
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    #651 ThomasMann, Oct 17, 2018

    Thank you, good information.
    The disks have different sizes, so they would be easy to distinguish... but only if asked, of course.
    So I will unplug the other one.

    And thank you for telling me the basics about sda and sdb, and sda1 and sda2... something that Linux people would never do, they assume everyone on the planet knows things like that... which makes their forums so useless so often.
     
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    #652 Nimbus2000, Oct 17, 2018
    Take a look at the "Something Else" option.
     
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    #655 Anemisme, Dec 18, 2018
    Mint looks professionnal and has been good since the beginning
     
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    #659 Gabriel9999, Oct 23, 2019
    I have to install the Django package to my mint distribution. I want to accomplish this by using pip command but can not find the pip command. How can I install the pip command? Thanks
     
  20. Yen

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    #660 Yen, Oct 23, 2019
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    Usually pip comes for python2 >=2.79 and python3 >=3.4
    pip refers to python2 and pip3 to python3. Ubuntu has both versions of python installed (mint probably as well)...

    AFAIK those 2 packages are mandatory...(setuptools and pip)..at least the pip package should be installed.
    For python3 for instance...
    Code:
    sudo apt-get install python3-setuptools python3-pip
    For python 2 just remove the number 3 at the commands
    Code:
    sudo apt-get install python-pip
     
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