Do you think a wall on the border with Mexico can stop the immigrants?

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Will the wall be effective against illegal immigrants?

  1. Yes, the wall will be largely effective

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  2. It will only have a small effect not worth the cost

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  3. No, it will be a monumental failure

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  1. Michaela Joy

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    #161 Michaela Joy, Feb 5, 2017

    @gorski: Strippers make more than IT consultants these days...

    I guess it's just supply and demand at work. :D
     
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  2. Katzenfreund

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    #162 Katzenfreund, Feb 5, 2017 (OP)
    On reading this, I couldn't help thinking that being the first lady, she could earn a lot more money now as a stripper than she used to before, probably more than her husband’s presidential salary…

    But to rectify my malicious comment, I add that I don’t expect her to practice the said lucrative profession, which proves that money isn't everything. :)
     
  3. Joe C

    Joe C MDL Guru

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    #163 Joe C, Feb 5, 2017
    She can get anything she wants already, doesn't need a job for $$$.
     
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  4. ThomasMann

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    #164 ThomasMann, Feb 5, 2017
    You are right... I ran around with my eyes closed 24hrs when I studied there.
     
  5. ThomasMann

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    #165 ThomasMann, Feb 5, 2017
    After the first court order, even CNN immidately commented, that the appealscourt judge which would decide that second one, was a known liberal, and that he would reject it. This should end up in front of the Supreme Court, unless in the near future any kind of terror attack happens....
    So, a Hilary or Obama as president in such a situation would have remembered what Putin said about the non-existing WMDs in Bagdhad: "I would have found some!"

    This is all what makes it so hilarious. If Obama had done any the things that Trump does, like forcing carmakers to bring back jobs, they would given him another nobelprize, but if Trump does it, he is evil incarnate.

    I am quite enjoying Trump bringing out ths stupidity in those americans, who actually consider themselves "leftist", but voted for Hilary and now foam at the mouth...
     
  6. ThomasMann

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    #166 ThomasMann, Feb 5, 2017
    She will be famous anyway.... the first first lady to hated and desired at the same time?
    MJs guys, who make strippers rich, probably do not have access to the internet.... ;)
     
  7. ThomasMann

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    #167 ThomasMann, Feb 5, 2017
    PS

    I just read the news that a US judge ordered Google to turn over ALL emails on ANY of their servers worldwide to the FBI.

    THAT is what I would call a real problem
     
  8. JFKI

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    #168 JFKI, Feb 5, 2017
    You do realize that According to Title 3 of the US Code, the US President "shall earn" a salary of $400,000, along with a $50,000 annual expense account, a $100,000 nontaxable travel account, and $19,000 for entertainment. Like most employees, the president receives benefits in addition to a salary.

    Compared to what Trump made in civilian life, that is really not a whole lot.

    To top that off this is what he said when he was campaigning in Rochester, NH.
    More here.

    As a side note, two other presidents have given their salaries to charity, JFK and Herbert Hoover (who gave most of his salary to charity and used the rest to supplement his staff's income).
     
  9. Joe C

    Joe C MDL Guru

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    #169 Joe C, Feb 5, 2017
    I'll have to agree with you on that
     
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  10. Yen

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    #170 Yen, Feb 6, 2017
    Unfortunately I cannot join the discussion anymore as I want due to preparations (only little spare time for MDL) for my next trip. And I will have a break at MDL (actually the entire internet) till 20th of March.

    But I want to post some short remarks before I go. (Some OT but probably interesting for separate threads)

    The topic criminalization of substances = ‘drugs’ has been a personal subject of interest since I started with organic chemistry.
    1994 I had as work a major exam why criminalization of substances is senseless.

    When it comes to ‘psyche’ / Psychology my honest opinion about is that (western) Psychology is only useful when it’s about person. Bad mouths could say it’s not even science.

    Insight on so-called psychedelics require far more, but there were works from Grof and others.
    And yes it's right. There were experiments of the (US) military...'drugs' played and are still playing a role there.
    LSD has been tested if it can be useful as 'truth serum' or how it acts on soldiers also there had been the Benzedrine / Pervitin competition....the responsibles did not hesitate to administrate drugs without to inform the persons. :rolleyes:


    Scientific catchworks are frequently abused for propaganda reasons and there are double standards. Be careful and check its context.

    Aspartame metabolizes to Aspartic acid, Phenylalanine and Methanol.
    Methanol then can be oxidized to formaldehyde -the toxicity of Methanol is reasoned by formaldehyde-
    Anything has to be related to the amount of Aspartame, the maximum of Methanol from it never reaches toxic levels nor the human daily level (from other foods generally), though.

    Toxic attributes to Aspartame by reasoning metabolism is not justifiable. It’s solely made to discredit Aspartame.
    To do so reasonably one has to argue differently.

    The same applies to Fluor better said Fluoride. One has to be nitpicking and there are no excuses due to language (remember Tungsten) lol. Chemistry has its own language.

    OK enough OT. :)

    On topic I think to work out a solution TOGETHER with Mexico would be far better than measures which separate.
    I said Trump will cause a lot of agitation and even though the Muslim ban has been stopped it's just the beginning.
    A wall can be symbolic yes. But the symbolic character turns into bad when it becomes a real physical wall.


    I wish you fun when discussing further, have a great time at MDL. See you soon again.
    Next six weeks I will not consume any news about at all. :biggrin:

    Yen :)
     
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  11. gorski

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    #171 gorski, Feb 6, 2017
    'Njoy... Ohmmmmm... :D
     
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  12. Katzenfreund

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    #172 Katzenfreund, Feb 6, 2017 (OP)
    Have a nice trip! I’m sure some discussion will still be going on, both on- and off-topic, when you return. And equally sure that no agreement will have been reached by then… :)

    Back on topic. All this courts overruling political decisions business makes me wonder… Can we rule out the possibility that some curst will declare the wall…unconstitutional? :rolleyes:
     
  13. gorski

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    #173 gorski, Feb 6, 2017
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  14. Joe C

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    #174 Joe C, Feb 7, 2017
    Enjoy your trip Yen, I found out personally last fall.... that it can be nice to "un-plug" for a while. I hope everything works best for you
     
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  15. Katzenfreund

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    #175 Katzenfreund, Feb 7, 2017 (OP)
    Just an Off Topic remark about Off Topic.

    So OT has come to mean Off Topic. This is strange, as the acronym OT could equally well correspond to On Topic as to Off Topic. :confused:
     
  16. Yen

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    #176 Yen, Feb 7, 2017
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    Thanks. :)
    Yes, to leave 'common' habits behind, to un-plug is important for self-awareness...it's nice to have 'places' where things work very different. I am very grateful that I can travel every year, will fly to Laos on Friday morning . :)




    It's used for both, the definite meaning has to be obtained from the context, the abbreviation OT is actually useless, lol
     
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  17. ThomasMann

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    #177 ThomasMann, Feb 7, 2017
    You keep on misunderstanding, unlike to you, to me the actual problem is a system that offers a choice between Hilary and Trump... the rest is symptoms. As I do not have to live in a country like that, why would it concern me what nonsens he will do to voters?
    I am watching all this closely, trust me, and actually enjoying it. A people that believe that Obama is one of the good guys, deserves all the reminders Trump can come up with. You will be in for a lot more surprises...

    Example?

    Bloomberg Businessweek told me on January 30, 2017

    "Trump has named Wilbur Ross as his nominee for secretary of Commerce, a 79-year-old Wall Street multibillionaire Ross got rich in part with government assistance, taking advantage of bankruptcy laws and tariffs and having others pick up the bill for pensions owed to employees."

    The man took all the money out of his companies that he legally could, and then bancrupted them, leaving the taxpayer responsible, for the clean up and the pensions. Now there is a man after Trumps heart, a competent true businessman and so he gets the job he is qualified best for, in a country like the US 2017.

    Listening to a half-monkey like maddog Mattis, one can expect great TV news programs in the coming years.
    Unless you live in the wrong kind of country, that is....

    You might remember Obama, who told you: "Yes, we can!" ? and you fools thought with that "we" he meant you, the people...?
    And now Trump said, he will make America great again, and again, he too was not speaking of the people living there at all.

    So enjoy, sit back, watch the performance, and try "Serene". Grown in the 40 year old Home Farm Hippy commune in northern California, only available in limited issues, but again, according to Bloomberg Businessweek: the best weed available.
    And who would know better than these people? :biggrin:
     
  18. gorski

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    #178 gorski, Feb 8, 2017
    Nonsense! YOU misunderstood from the start and now you can't but paint yourself in the corner...

    Everything he has done is complete shambles which Hilary simply couldn't do, given the legislature and the state of her own party, that she was driven to the left.

    Go away, this is insulting to the bone!!! Sure, everyone is against the bloody system but as things stand - YOU just don't get it and now - the way you are, an obstinate conservative - you would rather die than admit complete balls up from your end...
     
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  19. Katzenfreund

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    #179 Katzenfreund, Feb 13, 2017 (OP)
    Here is a legal conundrum you might like to consider.

    The US constitution applies in the US and the US courts also only have jurisdiction in the US. But it doesn’t apply to non-US citizens still in their home countries. Therefore the POTUS can lawfully issue a decree, without violating the constitution, blocking such people from entering the US.

    If in spite of the (legitimately issued) decree such a person still travels to the US, he has violated the decree, his entry is illegal, and he can be stopped at the customs before entering the country.

    The courts shouldn’t come into play, until after he has entered.

    But it seems the constitution applies to both sides of the customs, the outside before entering and the inside after entering the country. And the fact that he arrived illegally in spite of the (legitimate) decree doesn’t matter. Hmm…

    But the decree itself is not unconstitutional, because it applies to citizens of other countries still in their home countries. Only its enforcement in practice might be unconstitutional.

    And then how can a Mexican be prevented from entering without violating the constitution? He doesn’t even have to get over the fence, just arrive at the customs.

    Is all this sophistry or have I not understood something?
     
  20. ЯƎHTͶAꟼ

    ЯƎHTͶAꟼ MDL Senior Member

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    #180 ЯƎHTͶAꟼ, Feb 13, 2017
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    Code:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Wall
    ...*cough* *cough*
     
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