@CHEF_KOCH: I'm glad you deleted the previous line in your post. And it's true. Humans -are- responsible for the changes in climate. But not in the way most think. It's simply the sheer number of humans that are causing the planet to undergo changes. You can see the same effect in a fish tank. Put more creatures in an ecosystem than it can support, and science (and nature) step in. Herds begin to get culled, things change in ways that force the weak to be destroyed by an environment that can no longer support them. And nature begins to pick the strongest of the species. In the case of humans, it's about who has the most resources squirreled away. And that equates to money. You can't fix nature, you can only try to tame it and hope it doesn't destroy you.
@ Wazz It's not really correct. Global warming has several things you need to respect: * EU/others getting stronger rules since 70's when it comes to CO² emissions * Physical evidence (are only 'accurate' since 80's due the instruments, there where instrument before but not that accurate). * Arctic sea ice loss which has an effect on the entire world and the thermohaline circulation. * Output of the sun itself (solar output). * Volcanism * Plate tectonics * .. and maybe 100 other factors. This (besides the human factor) is natural and can change over the time, for sure. But the human aspect alone shows it gets lots of faster. It's like domino effect. Every place on earth changed since '70s and not only UK. But you may not realize it yourself due several other facts. 1-2C° seems nothing for you, but global spoken it changes a lot. Since I'm not an expert on this topic I only can get basic research based on this.
They can not get their facts right http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420783/Worlds-climate-scientists-confess-Global-warming-just-QUARTER-thought--computers-got-effects-greenhouse-gases-wrong.html
Of course we are. We started doing that when we walked out of our caves and started big bonfires to cook giant lizards and woolly mammoths
Not really. On the other hand, when we started with agriculture... And then, when we had machine and oil to take it to another level...
and 150 years ago cities were up to their knees in horse doodoo and covered in coal soot from domestic heating looking for a way out of that problem even 50 years ago before all the sandblasting London was still black ...T
Dont try to blind me with science(thomas dolby already did that in the 80s), im telling the differences from a laymans point of view, who has Lived here(for 50 years).
If you think you're better than an physical instrument which measure the difference and write it objective down then you're more arrogant and ignorant then I thought. You can't deny the facts and talking about the facts is waste of time. Don't come into serious discussion with 'I live 1 million years on earth' this makes yourself a laugh number. Come with facts always and not with your own personal 'opinion'. Climate has changed all over the world, not only in UK or certain other 'chosen' places. It's a lot of faster due our own behavior, I'm not saying climate could't changed by nature itself, but usually it's a lot of slower process here. There are also other study's which showing that it gets warmer. The problem is that it's very complicated since I already mentioned that there are several other things which needs to be respected if you talk about climate changes. If you check the news, you see that a lot of things like storms are now more and more heavier. This article explains it very well. Most nations already working on a 'solution' like reducing the CO² output and other things. The problem is some nations not working together or want to do that (money?). And others try to fake study's to say this is a 'hoax' (which is wrong of course).
NASA Fudged the Facts http://principia-scientific.org/nasa-exposed-in-massive-new-climate-data-fraud/ If your going to make an assumption on facts, then use real facts
From that article: Yes and I said earlier instruments wasn't that accurate, only since 80's+. So the facts are still okay. The cooling phase are also explainable with other things. I'm sure this isn't the last word from NASA and others.
"Climate has changed all over the world, not only in UK or certain other 'chosen' places. It's a lot of faster due our own behavior..." Always the same..... Yes, climate is changing, and the climate is a phenomemom that is connected worldwide. Prey, tell us: How do you know that it changes "a lot faster" because of humans? How fast would it change if it were not for humans? I am not even going to ask you, what you would do about it, and why you think you might be able to amend the behaviour of 7 Billion people to stop the changing and make it go back to the "nice" way it used to be?
So you really deny that humans not 'push' the CO² and other output faster. Can't believe what I've read here. I guess I already answered that question with research on that topic. If everyone would reduce CO² and changes his behavior a little bit it we would have more time to find better solutions. * Do you really need to drive with your car to the next cigarette machine? * How about bicycle .. well it's raining but does rain hurts you? * How about eating less meat or only once in a week (and then celebrate it a little bit)? * Some people getting money/benefits from telling 'there is no climate change - or by our products'. Stop that. * Renewable energy? Build a house (if you build a new one) on today's energy research. * The gov could push in general renewable energy - I'm personally a fan of fusion energy. * ...
This is true, but you cannot compare weather to climate/warming..both are pretty much different per definition. The scientific demonstration of course isn't based on a double blind crossover study since we have only one earth. In other words we cannot compare to an earth that hasn't got humans. The reasoning is based on the physical attribute of CO2 to absorb infrared radiation that 'normally' would leave the earth (greenhouse effect) and the relation to its increase and the increase of average temperature since industrialization. Also soot particles. Even if one would not accept this as an argument for a climate change influenced by humans... to state that the impact of humans on nature would not change the climate is unreasonable. (Action/re-action)....those 'actions' can be used as an argument for human acceleration of increase of average temperature. As mentioned already exploitation is the major point....burning fossil fuels..slash-and burn...pollution.....we are 'changing' the earth so why should the climate be unaffected?
We do not have a second earth to compare scientifically, but we do have Mars. And Mars is also experiences climate change too http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/31/mars-also-undergoing-climate-change-ice-age-retrea/ We have no idea how much humans contribute to climate change, but it does happen without human intervention
Climate is changing all the time and always had. The questions are: Has humankind an influence on it and is hence responsible for global warming? What are the effects and how bad are they?
How does one answer those questions without knowing what the planet's natural changes are to begin with? It's kinda like predicting where and when the wind will blow
As said the reasoning is based on anthropogenic emission of greenhouse gases- circumstantial evidence. I personally think that we're atm in a natural warming cycle accelerated by humans, though.... But what is far more important the facts: There is measurable global warming and all its effects will get stronger the warmer it gets and we're burning fuels which are not unlimited available....sometimes I think global warming is a subject of discussion to distract from the facts.
@Yen: I'm glad I waited until you changed the post to respond. True. And that "evidence" is being twisted by politicians to come up with more ways of making money by taxing the people at large. Also true. However, it's the sheer number of humans that are alive who are influencing our ecosystem. What can you do? Kill them? Starve them to death, because they're taking our air? Normal, mentally healthy people do not entertain these thoughts. However: Our respective governments do and have done so for hundreds of years. War is the way that the "herds" are culled. Sorry to say, but that's the reality of it. And it's not just America. -Every- country in this world is guilty of it on some level. Ether by social darwinism or blatent Ethnic Cleansing, we're all guilty of it. There are some "facts" that most people do not want to know. If you had to kill someone or a group of people to survive, would you?
I find it odd, that as the climate changes towards heating up as these alarmists claim, it slows downs the Atlantic Conveyor Belt, which in turn causes temps to fall. So Climate changes from excessive co2 levels would bring us into an ice age https://news.mongabay.com/2016/05/scientists-concerned-slowing-atlantic-conveyor-warn-abrupt-climate-change/