[Guide]Way to Disable Keylogger/ Telemetry v3.55

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  1. EFA11

    EFA11 Avatar Guru

    Oct 7, 2010
    WinX and desktop for me, still rarely ever see the start screen. :D I am personally more concerned with the next version of Office not looking like 2013 currently does (not holding my breath lol)
  2. MrMagic

    MrMagic MDL Guru

    Feb 13, 2012
    They can do what they like, did you read the Ts&Cs? Small print? etc

    Nope, course you didn't
  3. LiteOS

    LiteOS Windowizer

    Mar 7, 2014
    all those TOS is just to bypass the law
  4. Smorgan

    Smorgan Glitcher

    Mar 25, 2010
    Ok and you expect me to agree that all EULAs are enforceable. Dude I didn't agree to have my soul taken though it would be funny if Mein Kampf was in the EULA.

    However the expectation to hide behind a contract that stipulates we can do whatever we want is not in the least bit legal.

    If they are allowed to do that then I am fully in the right to reverse engineer the OS.
  5. shawnsdada

    shawnsdada MDL Junior Member

    Jun 24, 2013
    #25 shawnsdada, Oct 10, 2014
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2014
    WTF are you on about? I don't go around repeating the same BS over and over like you're implying I am. Show proof that I do if you're going to accuse me of that. I call out BS. Don't like it? Ignore me. You have done it yourself, but I'm like a broken record? OK lol

    I also said I was thinking about leaving here. Never said I actually would. NEVER twist my words, slavey boy. Don't even think about going there.

    With each post you make, you prove more and more you have no idea at all what you're talking about.

    All this paranoia with a PREVIEW OPERATING SYSTEM MADE TO GATHER FEEDBACK and you same morons still want to use it lol. Shows that you really have no idea what you're complaining about, but others are doing it and hating the NSA (or any company gathering data) is the thing to do this year, so might as well join in.
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  6. Smorgan

    Smorgan Glitcher

    Mar 25, 2010
    Ok time to make a point.

    You can come and go as you please. I did the same thing as well.

    I recognize that a company has a right to gather feedback for Operating System that needs to have the bugs ironed out. It's reasonable so that the OS as a whole shapes up to be nicer. The rest is pure opinion if you like the end product lol.

    Now as for the rest lets just go. The paranoia is that we think we know something is the case without substantiation or facts. However in this case we have direct evidence that shows Application Data and a large amount of Telemetry (for the good of patching bugs) is being transmitted. The Application Data is being transmitted while the program in question is open such as notepad over a Transport Layer Security connection. None of that is up for question it is a cold hard fact as I can provide the IP Addresses and Wireshark data.

    The point of the matter is when User Data / Application Data is being transmitted. If you cannot see the distinction then I feel sorry for you.

    You can be whoever you want here but the forum will judge you regardless.

    PAYMYRENT MDL Developer

    Jul 28, 2009

    I personally have been tracking people in my software for the past few years! (beta apps only!) nothing bad though settings os name and mem dumps every 60 minutes lol and when the application crashes i collect another mem dump and stack trace information, settings and the local system specs!.
  8. Smorgan

    Smorgan Glitcher

    Mar 25, 2010
    #28 Smorgan, Oct 10, 2014
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2014
    That is what the Windows Error Reporting logs PMR. However we are talking about more than just that. The OS Name / mem dumps are logged as services crash n such. What your saying is an over simplification of what is going on and not the full picture.

    I'm talking about information that is sent to MS while you are typing on programs that your using. That information being sent over the TLSv1.2 link. That is the data I have a problem with. We need to differentiate between Windows Error Reporting and the user data / application data that represents what is being typed in the program.

    The lines are being blurred between the two.

    PAYMYRENT MDL Developer

    Jul 28, 2009
  10. xomniversex

    xomniversex MDL Member

    Sep 20, 2012
    #30 xomniversex, Oct 10, 2014
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2014
    If you disable telemetry, I don't EVER want to see you complain that Microsoft "didn't do enough" by RTM, or that they "didn't listen to feedback." You made your beds, now lie in them.

    Microsoft doesn't care that you download pirated content over bittorrent, or watch weird fetish porn, or discuss your local cannabis vendors with a friend over Skype or even haggle with a vendor over it, or other activities you wish to be discreet about. They do care about how reliable your illegal downloads go with the network stack, whether that weird fetish porn video plays properly in Windows Media Player/Center, and how well it performs, they care about if you find the autocorrect annoying or not when you type, and use the keylogger to find words such as slang to add to autocomplete, or whether your illicit conversations over Skype are reliably sending or not. They don't care about the actual content. They use it only to improve the OS.

    You harm only yourself by circumventing telemetry. You willfully place duct tape over your mouth and ensure your opinion will not be heard by Microsoft by doing so.
  11. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

    Jul 29, 2009
    Those an other post's in this thread, special those complaining, seem to missing that Microsoft explained very clearly that this (and any other) Preview should not be used for any kind of production, just for to test and get the upcoming new OS to know, while although giving Feedback to MS how those User's are working with it and the result and stability of that OS.

    Firstly: Production didn't means only in office environment, it also means for the use with any sensitive and personal data! Just those out keep out, that's what MS is 'telling' you!`

    Secondly: Giving Feedback didn't means that MS would rely on an direct feedback from you done manually only, they will collect all used apps, data etc. which is used by the OS while it's running, with metering, resulting, input, output captured all times and send those data back 'home'! That's something you agreed too while installing that Preview OS.

    Thirdly: Microsoft didn't know what the User's of that Preview OS will use beside of the plain OS! How MS could? It's simply impossible. Fact is, that MS will need to get that to know AND how those add on apps etc. will (or not), get infos about runtime problems and others.

    Last but not least: What applies to an Preview Version of any Software, although applies to an ALPHA, BETA and Pre-RTM of such Software. Who still think that he should use such software in production with any other than the from developer suggested data, do it 100% on their own risk and having point for to complain about that the developer is use those data as well!

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  12. Mobocratic Asylum

    Mobocratic Asylum MDL Member

    Mar 22, 2010
    Good thing I have WTP10 on other PC for playing around. After reading about that "keylogger" blahblah, and this thread - it's like having a black box inside the unfinished OS so MS can understand what went on inside.

    Just don't do anything stupid while surfing the net on that OS.

    That simple, no?
  13. dsbig

    dsbig MDL Senior Member

    Aug 3, 2009
    #33 dsbig, Oct 10, 2014
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2014
    I want to know if I disable my nic and use the system 24/7, would a massive backlog build up? and then as I enable the nic. there would be massive upload of all backlogged information?

    maybe I missed it but. couldnt you just use a firewall or router to block all connection?

    also I have windows 7 image vmware. I been using it in windows 8.1 for some things.

    I think if anybody wanted to use windows tech preview as main system ,they could just use vmware with a system installed in. and do there stuff through it. can microsoft monitor input in vmware?
  14. murphy78

    murphy78 MDL DISM Enthusiast

    Nov 18, 2012
    Well... they probably catalog by your login or your ip address, so yah...
    I don't think the logs would build up enough to be a serious problem.
    You're far more likely to get tons of graphics drivers building up.
  15. Yen

    Yen Admin
    Staff Member

    May 6, 2007
    Yes he does want to leave, s1ave77! I had PM'ed him telling what I'll do next, so he actually begged for action.
    If you shawnsdada behave like you try to appear (to be strong) then take it as it is without to argue and never come back. I don't like and I don't tolerate the way you post. I don't need your agreement and I don't argue.
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  16. Cees Heim

    Cees Heim MDL Junior Member

    Sep 14, 2009
    looks like he got hammered :biggrin:

    actually , it's or except the spying and use win 10 , or do not except it and don't use.
    if you ask me the whole discussion is pointless for a preview.
    when the RTM comes out and it is still the same THEN we can all start kicking MS in the butt , but for now there is no point.

    Greetings Cees.

    TONSCHUH MDL Addicted

    Jun 11, 2012
    A VM is unfortunately not 100% like the real thing. It would be good enough to have a bit of a play around, but for proper testing, like if Software / Hardware has any issues, it's not 100% accurate.

  18. Espionage724

    Espionage724 MDL Expert

    Nov 7, 2009
    They want my feedback, they can start by letting the feedback app work with UAC disabled. Can't stand having training wheels on my OS holding me back from doing what I know is intentionally dangerous, so UAC is one of the very first things that gets disabled. And since Microsoft doesn't trust users enough to have administrative rights when dealing with Modern UI apps... they get no active feedback from me, other than the fact I disabled UAC and can't give feedback.

    I'm all for giving feedback, but at the same time, I want to know what kind of feedback I'm giving. A built-in keylogger is one of the last ways I want to give a company feedback who I don't trust entirely.

    And as another way to view this, if people are disabling feedback though such deep methods, then that alone is feedback that should tell Microsoft people aren't going to put up with such invasive feedback snooping.

    And finally, lets face it, EULAs don't get read by most people. If you're doing such invasive tracking, it would be courteous to display a message of the sort during initial setup.

    Bit of an unrelated topic, but my Android tablet is probably giving Google most (if not all) my voice and keyboard input. I was told plenty of times by Android of the ways Google will get my data, and was also given a choice to accept it or not. I want to actually help improve Android, and find Google to be a pretty ok company, so I opted-in to give such feedback. So what's the difference you might ask? All that tracking I opted into wasn't hidden and hard-coded deep within the OS and auto-enabled without any easy way to disable it and mentioned briefly in a large EULA :cool:
  19. Garbellano

    Garbellano MDL Addicted

    Aug 13, 2012
    lolol Are you kidding?. I hope you are kidding or in the best case scenario you are working for m$ or just a fanboy, which is the same as work for m$ but for free ;)

    They should put an option to DISABLE this so called "telemetry". Like, if you want to participate, please enable this and that, when you are installing the OS, and NOT enbled by default. Like U2 did with their CRAPPY album, forcing you to download that worthless piece of s**t.

    The people deserve to opt-out in any moment and not forced to "participate". After all, this OS is timebombed, so, its useless by definition. With this so called excuse of telemetry, I wouldnt wonder why keep it enabled when the RTM be on the streets.
  20. Cees Heim

    Cees Heim MDL Junior Member

    Sep 14, 2009
    small correction , you are not forced to participate , just don't install the beta.
    there is absolutely no reason you would NEED win 10 now exept the fact you are curious how it looks.