Easily - if one thinks we are isolated and whatever we do has no bearing on the other - it's an "idea" that is... shall we say not exactly thought through... It's perfectly alienated "thinking" but it does not see the connections that we have with one another, with our planet, with ourselves... The authority question is the relevant one here: "one believes in..." fill in the gaps... But what if those "beliefs" affect so many others adversely? And it wouldn't be the first time that a "leader/fuhrer/duce" had to be "impeached" by whatever means necessary... Because he and his followers, based on their "beliefs" acted in such a way that they affected adversely way too many "others"... But it isn't the case only with the question of "authority"! We can do it for other reasons, as concerned Human Beings! An example: in Sweden members of a fitness club are "shareholders" and they can and do occasionally go to a member and ask questions or tell them what they have noticed about their well-being, how they exercise etc. So, if you are way too fat and they see that you are doing things the wrong way, harming yourself in the process, they will stop you from exercising and send you to a doctor first, then give you the professional help you need to get better and then welcome you back to the gym when it is safe for you to start again... In the UK no one even dreams of it. Guess which one is more humane and aware, more enlightened etc. With the "god" stuff, with religion etc. the same principles apply: if we see people suffering in ignorance, being gullible or perhaps a more extreme case when a whole bunch is being led by a sociopath (Waco, for instance) - we can and we must engage them. I mean, so many religious people are engaging "us", coming to our door, pestering us, proselytising, trying to "save us" - why not the other way around? Trump is now setting the new rules for the world. And he thinks that he won't get a reaction? Here is another pertinent example: some fruitarians are occasionally killing their children through nutritional dogma and ignorance - again, we must engage them, educate them, take the best interests of those people, especially children, into consideration and act over and above the dogma that family or even "community" espouses. One can go on with examples but the point is: we are acting when we have a mad politician at the helm, we have to control the rich and powerful and engage in various ways with each other and in that debate try to point to evidence, principles, how those affect others and how the other affects us. Here, a "good" example, which Yen pointed to earlier:
In a more much simplistic term MJ.... This coming Tuesday is mid-term election day And there are those that feel we must be influenced by their views
That is right. Anyway the mechanisms of 'how to get things bad when a god is involved' have not changed. -God is (ab)used to create fear for others / to oppress others. "If you don't do that god will punish you". As a personified authority....the ones who have punished / killed were always humans and not GOD. Or God is abused as somebody who is only accessible to the favored few...and those favored few are either elite and there is no proselytizing or they are 'social' and are very convinced of themselves and try to 'convince' others. Real reverence for GOD does neither come from intimidation nor from believing in a mental idea of what GOD could be. It comes from knowledge about oneself. (Self-knowledge). From a moment of insight...like :"How could I be wrong (that long) time? Talking about "why not the other way around?" Because it would be just another mechanism of ''how to get things bad when a god is involved'. Direct questioning of one's idea of GOD leads to rejection EVEN because such people are identified with their idea of GOD without to really know GOD otherwise whey would just smile knowing wisely no matter what they talk GOD is unaffected. -Objectifying the Subject caused by abstract thinking. The second commandment is actually no commandment. It simply points on a logical fact that objectifying the Subject will let you miss the Subject, always.... People need to make their own experiences. Indoctrination does not help.
I believe that it is indoctrination that truly separates us from having a true and close relationship with God. I do not believe that God intended that "we" as a human race were ment to have wars over opposing views, but rather have "peace and love" for our fellow brothers
How could ever somebody 'fight' for it? How could somebody ever really break peace because if it? People fight, but not for GOD.
I didn't condemn anything. I don't care if you worship the tooth fairy. I am simply stating a fact, God is a man made construct and you can't accept that! Speaking of intolerance, I can recall the church was silencing people who claimed that the Earth orbited the Sun, which is an observable fact. And if I might add an @ambidav fav topic, the Earth is round I also don't know if " many people" doing something is supposed to add credibility to it. It doesn't, group mentality is flawed.
Yes. I agree. I myself actually make use of writing 3 capital letters. Ego (the way it is frequently used at spiritual belief systems) is an idea of to be 'cut off', being alone and little on an isolated path. By that the created 'emptiness' has to be filled....
You can believe in god and Jesus and not to follow any religion. Every religion just tries to do, what they think god or Jesus would do, if they were here. All their rules are man-made. It is like if I would ask people to make a cake, 1000 people would make 1000 different cakes, neither would be good or bad, they would be just different, just like views of religions are. Christians follow Jesus teaching, yet theirs rules contradict, like Jesus soothed a prostitute, but the church sends unborn kids to hell and denies suiciders to be buried. That does not fit.
Everything that Jesus teaches is included in the gospel, for example, the gospel of Saint John Chapter 15. You are right - you do not have to be with Jesus and the church. However, religion can help to confirm faith. Can we treat the church more than Jesus? The church is made up of people - so we can assume in advance that it makes mistakes. Over the centuries there were many of them. Who is without blame let him throw the stone first. In the church, however, there were many saints who gave their lives a great example of how Saint Padre Pio, priest Dolindo Ruotolo. I would like to have faith in a thousandth of a percent like them.
Were - is the main word. Ever heard of Francis of Assisi? He lived in poverty and humility. Today, every monk of his order owns an iphone and such. He would feel like Jesus, when entered the temple. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleansing_of_the_Temple - Religion today is not, what it used to be in the beginning. Vatican owns Berreta and porn magazines, preaching one, doing other.
Church doctrines do not always follow biblical teachings. You show a good example. If you can not accept the doctrines of that church then find a church that follows Christ more closely to the second testament teachings. Does the Catholic church and some other denominations follow the path that Revelations suggest and become the "whore" and desolation we are warned about?
That's how I heard about him and not every one of his successors has an iphone. Look at the Pope Francis. I know many priests who do not do well, I also know a few who are role models. We will not judge them.
Infinite exercise of foreknowledge? The argument that God’s not foreknowing all future events and circumstances in full detail would evidence imperfection on his part is, in reality, an arbitrary view of perfection. Perfection, correctly defined, does not demand such an absolute, all-embracing extension, inasmuch as the perfection of anything actually depends upon its measuring up completely to the standards of excellence set by one qualified to judge its merits. Ultimately, God’s own will and good pleasure, not human opinions or concepts, are the deciding factors as to whether anything is perfect.—De 32:4; 2Sa 22:31; Isa 46:10. To illustrate this, God’s almightiness is undeniably perfect and is infinite in capacity. (1Ch 29:11, 12; Job 36:22; 37:23) Yet his perfection in strength does not require him to use his power to the full extent of his omnipotence in any or in all cases. Clearly he has not done so; if he had, not merely certain ancient cities and some nations would have been destroyed, but the earth and all in it would have been obliterated long ago by God’s executions of judgment, accompanied by mighty expressions of disapproval and wrath, as at the Flood and on other occasions. (Ge 6:5-8; 19:23-25, 29; compare Ex 9:13-16; Jer 30:23, 24.) God’s exercise of his might is therefore not simply an unleashing of limitless power but is constantly governed by his purpose and, where merited, tempered by his mercy.—Ne 9:31; Ps 78:38, 39; Jer 30:11; La 3:22; Eze 20:17. Similarly, if, in certain respects, God chooses to exercise his infinite ability of foreknowledge in a selective way and to the degree that pleases him, then assuredly no human or angel can rightly say: “What are you doing?” (Job 9:12; Isa 45:9; Da 4:35) It is therefore not a question of ability, what God can foresee, foreknow, and foreordain, for “with God all things are possible.” (Mt 19:26) The question is what God sees fit to foresee, foreknow, and foreordain, for “everything that he delighted to do he has done.”—Ps 115:3.
I don't know what G_D's plan for me is...I just live it every day. I've said this before. I'll say it again. You can't quantify faith. You either have it or you don't. We don't know what's going to happen from minute to minute, much less from day to day. Our minds are used as weapons against us. Every day, we're subtly manipulated into moving away from from what our hearts tell us, and believing what our minds tell us. "The devil plays in the minds of Man. G_D lives in the hearts of Man." Myself, I have seen too many things not to believe in G_D. Both good and evil. I believe that -every- spiritual belief system has a piece of the entire truth. An entire truth that can not be told, because as you observe it and describe it, it changes. (Anybody remember schrodinger's cat?) And what is reality? Do we even know?
I say, a man who is in debt is not free. God is not immanent to our reasoning, so we can only speculate what he is or he is not. Faith and belief are not the same thing. In faith, you live spontaneously, respond to situations making decisions momnentarily, have no preconditions, no prejudices, goiing into unknown freely, In faith, there is no you and I, there is one, or better to say non-two. No isolated island of "I". Every situation is new, no rules can apply, no belief system is valid. That is freedom by godliness. Have i just described what love is? Love, and you will know what God is.