If God is Omniscient then Human is not free.

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Free will doesn't exist If God is omniscient.

  1. If yes, why?

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  2. If no, then how?

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  1. PointZero

    PointZero MDL Member

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  2. de crust

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    2 little suggests, assistants

    https://1fichier.com/?u50nw4juosx7rt829npm.

    one here...

    https://1fichier.com/?yws2dmqfmi35wakzfh1z


    when making the 1st...be aware of, 'careful', aye.

    warry, even more so...when it's made.

    2nd consideration...
    the truth, of all here, in the real world[by way of science, biological.
    hoh...moreso, common sense as in just think of real time, subliminal wanderingly definite truth. we know do we?
    how do u know...
    science again. docu about subliminal training.
    intermission at a cinema. way back when...during the IM, nearly all the viewers drank coke[can paper cup].
    every eight frame worded these...
    'drink coke'.

    as said[no source at min'. check it for u. on line. results if honest wud easily pan out. just think or view it by and using common sense[shud be more than enuff, i hope]..

    the result of a series of 'variable-component sets [ font [size of, colour of], different frames[ the frame-number gaps],
    presenting undeniable cause, for this test scenario, drink coke sublimianal phenomena...was reached.

    what of...
    a happy ''lacking in a s**tty nappy' walk along rather than...what? ?
    ya might think in ways...that someone else may change it for u.
    but, consider sense as true, even when ya deserve it...
    as a standard, they fukin won't.
    cover base as ya want to, need to. tis covered then.
    [paranoid?
    yeah? hmm. what do u know...? sharply put...ya may not wanna find out or know. :O ]

    'take care of it, as ya do, as ya go'.
    habit. not the wool black, kind! and defo, not kind, at all. tink of a cross now. in de real world. not airy fairy[really!!! ? there aren't any in that image are there? if so, where? :( ]
     
  3. de crust

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    hmm, u are aware of mental illness obviously, ok. did u know the term schitzophrenia is illegal.
    the entire psychiatric commonwealth, maintains this standard as per a few years ago.
    i am unable to converse, correctly verbaly, and literally. as explained in previous posts.

    no cheek here.

    did a visit to such a palce as a mental hosp ever sit on top of you?

    as an example of so called health professionals
    it seems u see fit to encumber anyone, mostly me at the moment[why i wonder, why?] who really, u have no right [at all] in suggesting[?]
    such cruelty[u do NOT know of such places, do u? as in personal experiences]
    as a means[ possibly to off set ur guilt? not an attack[personal or otherwise, u DO NOT KNOW, can not know]
    an excuse maybe?]] to set right, something u do not know of or even understand.
    u see[?] or get that u, urslef are in a position to prescribe [a doctor are u? plse. be decent. make sure of ur facts, rather nasty if and as much as mentioned and said already by me...here u are it seems w/o due process of knowing...are shelving me. u may not see or feel it to be in this measure or vein...but, from here, me...as am...u know nothing. u cast out, words said by this idiot...simply cos u don't believe them. do u think[or know] me?
    why judge then. u do and have done, mentally, emotionally. ppl do, as ppl do.
    psyche profiling, inc...class of '22!
    make sure of ur own estimates based on facts afore u judge, prematurely. mistakes? grand. then , one knows better. a benefit. there was none of this in my case...the same with so many, for too long...so, so, so many others,
    you know not of or probably care about[at all] any of the folks i knew. most are dead now. am alone[no matter really. always was]

    i write what i know. lies are fabrications.
    consistancy and constancy of lies, falls down, thus fails...at some point, enuff
    and then are known to be so.

    w/o full and complete real knowledge or similar[in examples]
    attempting to or justifying a simple solve to an immeasureably incalculable reality is ridiculous.
    this is done. it was and is now.

    t. i. d.

    a top senior level shrink[under prof. head of eastern health board...
    had this ? improsoned and tortured[as said] far and way too long for no animae or decent reason, at all.
    it was made known by efforts that money for old wasted...bread and butters, was the scam. it is stll the same today,
    the same for so many others then as it is now.
    the abandoned served no purpose,
    so, throw em out. we were.
    and they cashed in.

    after eventual semi-release[was out, somewhat free for ruffly 5 yrs or so.

    one of older sisters saw this supposed decent [intelligencia member by way of a booked, not personally experienced ['idiots set']
    professionally oriented carrer at her office...
    clare asked her,
    what's wrong with him?
    it provided this senior based, professional analysis, verbatim...
    ''i have absolutely no idea''.

    i was gone, out of her hands[claws in actuality. u shud be aware, hers. seen by eyes in this head, i know what i see] but, am still not realeased.

    charged in '74 for a crime, i did not commit.
    sentenced to that which came, from there on.
    still there, w/o any reason.
    to end up with the above as determined truth or reason for my ''sickness'', the lackings, mine supposedly, in order
    to suit such as unknowances being the right of the unknowing to fuk ppl by doiing their dirt. they get away with it? do they? wud u feel ok if u saw what i had to suffer, endure by way of:
    ['nom de dei']

    for NO reason. none.

    the adjucation of judgements by the likes of u and others to entertain and excite[u shud have seen nurses[bored] who took unkindly to such as me et al, not doing correct. not doing ''right''.
    and here u are, saying what u see as fit for me..by advising such as me and others on this site's page...never mind any one else who pops in to have a goo...
    in order to advance the state of my mental health[is that what this is really all about, ur wanna be docs...is that it? try a few methods, see what happens to the idiot. is that it?
    a toy...a thing to make mock of to see, what the fuk?
    hmm. perhaps i am not the only one being poked...being had fun with...yeah? that is if u get me...or u may see. but, how far?
    do u see? once again, if u see.

    so, where is it now? see, there wasn't ''any'' thing incorrect of or with me
    even after being brutally punished, murdered countless times[u think i gest, do u?]
    assaulted and things i doubt u'ld even notice or believe, care about...wud u?
    but, there again...
    who am i?
    no body.
    not an emoto play. a fact.

    vacuous...fall down. to where?
    what do u want here, anywhere? or are u all, overfed?
    i wud watch things a little bit more carefully maybe if it was me looking in where u are.
    not a messer.
    a term named re-lig-ion.
    not so much nice, sure it isn't. don't look too good now.
    lig...is ligere.
    latin. to bind. to tie.
    it still means the same.
    do u see what i look at, point at?
    or have i got it al rong once more, opnce again? am i deluded...cos i believed. in pp. last 5 yrs...ppl have access to and own the south pole[relatively speaking] and know not how it was achieved, no idea of the price paid. there have been 36M suiciders since i was fuked into this mess...made by fuk headed liars fuked over by their own frankenstien. it is real in there, the mind...
    oh fuk yes, so fuking yes. no esc. no keys to get anyone in there, out. none.
    u do not know...u do not want to know.
    that changes nothing.
    u need...what?
    it is a good set of keys to have, thus knowing, in case one u ''may'' know of[incl u, mostly]
    and or 'care' of or for. it may be u some time or other.
    wud u [care] not to do, not to have to[oh fuk, ya don't know...or ya can do nothing either way] suffer or[lol] endure such as...truth written.
    it is belief. no more no less.
    ppl matter. that is all.
    do u? matter.
    the life of...above, was not just mine.


    i guess we, the damaged holy warriors,
    it won't go, when the read of this is passed. it is still looking favourable, t so many. in so many places.
    cud it be...the way to keep bees busy. hooman bees, [human beings] or am i being silly? thinking ppl matter...?
    hoh...silly boy, eh?
     
  4. de crust

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    somebody say sumut...other than smut... :)
    worded nice, wud be good to hear. nice wud be nice.
    self indulgence...oh no...gimme a break.
    no need. wud rather not.
    simon...says.
    didn't work. the idiot...said same oh same as the rest.
    ya don;t need it. and then said...i do it.
    no...ur same as the rest. gotto...waitn for ole gotto.
    nada changes.
    'concussion'
    once more...and again.

    ppl. wtf.
    does anyone know...
    nobody, poor fuker...struck out.
    oh yeah, ya gots to work it out by u...ha ha ha...and to think...not one said anything. what a fuk bunch. no wonder, there's fuk all here for any of it.
    nothing for anyone...
    who's for caka?
    k-pax...hmm, prot[''].
    what a guy...what a guy.
    do u...
    believe...?
    been there...done that.
    headin back soon.
    do u , do duh,
    believey-thingey...i do.
    2 to share a load on the way back.
    growth kodex. kodex...
    [K-pax]. tell me why...u shud...in a page or two. pm. that'ld be wow.

    do u believe..do u be leve...do u be leave, :)
    how d'ya know. :)

    {N.B. it wud only take one[ codex. why de film...why? fur no reason.is all, here, for no reason, do u care?
    is that why it didn't work?]
    home for all. to all as 1...getting, becoming one with 'there'
    by way of 'one'...being 'the codex[k]'
    rem. [eye-eye-eye. the three eyes...the 3 'I'-s. ya see? ]
    [jumbo. memory. elephantus].
    never forget.
    not me...there is none. there is no self. none.
    the functions happen by means unknown. u the same?
    why are u able to hold a cup/anything...and not know fully, all the time...u are doing that 'thing'. who/what is doing it?
    are u sure?
    try...sit comfy. no movements but, breath, and eyes.
    thoughts are ok. but, no movements. at all. if u move...why, who, what reason...who fed u to do that...move...and why? if no ans...think on it. do, plse.
    u will know, more than those who do not.
    do u know already? why not inform the unnocent? they are marks. and will suffer otherwise. no harm if gamblers are not able to interfear,becos...the innocent know. saved? from what...what, not who.
    does a murderer, know...really know...that thoughts he tinks...are his? or something else's plan to make something happen other than what is known? do u know...what i say, am trying to get across to the 'here'?
    a psychia...3 of them on seperate occasions...worded by ?. not their thoughts being voiced...
    ''do you think, ur thoughts are your own?''
    their question was not the one, being said.
    i am aware of doubt of sanity.
    are u sane...? do u know for sure? if yes...what are u measuring that measure of sanity against or to? others? aye,
    and how can something so fuking horrific, dementedly sadistic orchestrated and still going on, all the time, all over this place
    which u have undoubtedly heard tell of, such as the written of in the rest of this post
    and yet, u let it go on...w/o a blink or measure of or sense of indecency[am i talking too much, not knowing enuff...oh plse. do u matter.
    do u tink inside a blocked compromised mind?
    u think...u feel...but, do u know?
    truth? sets u free?
    it does.
    but, the others...
     
  5. PointZero

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  6. de crust

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    nah...great Pt z...
    thnx man, seriously.

    it's a terrible, terrrible thing truly...to care.
    a s**tty fuk of a fuk..with more of the same mustard...horsey raddishes...and loadsa hot spiced, chilli!
    no need for no...
    how does ya stop a thing as this.
    no brakes are seem to be. none it seems.

    this...nurses deal with patients...or the ole 'coal face'.
    coal face is and are patients.
    all, or any kind of.

    sufferings. that is the coal.

    ahh, what if, coal can change it's being's manifest of 'perception'.

    the perception is 4.5B ys old. cud that be true. a perception.
    [only].
    [never was one for coal].
    do i ramble too much.

    is belief true or no?.
    a tool.

    if or as u have 'believe' ****...as real[']

    the believe too and way it is used...

    is to seve anyone using it...

    to instill or assist anyone to gain['']

    something of an enabling ability to or for the carrier of said belief.

    so, why create such a horrific...as what is now and has been in place for so ukin long...and left that way?

    japanese soldiiers. a story, true.
    these men were posted out to peripheral islands in the pacific to keep close watch to protect, during 2nd ww.
    war over.
    soldiers left out there. forgotten about.
    no one mentioned of or about, these men.

    a sailing rig with ppl slipped up to shoreline.
    went inland. sldiers shot at ppl. some were injured but, escaped
    [ number/specific details in qiestion]

    ur saying what now?
    1980 diddy...yeah?

    war is over :)

    yeah. yeah...

    sth pole...scott.

    man, that's a cold one if is.
    wudn't be a beer either..

    ded, am i.
    done before. no biggee
    a laff, or ?
    either way.
    ahh, behind the times...right oh, ted.
     
  7. de crust

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    serious is as serious does...in the end, don't matter.
    point is...what do ya wnat?
    do ya know?
    ur advised of wise...
    wise, cares not.
    wise sees, nada but, wise.
    silly ole farts left to feed upon th eoler yet, wiser.
    confusion reigns.
    giddy up!
    off ya and weee....won't go.
    in 80s or ?
    uni consciousness. sang.
    uni versal one.
    it worked.
    pm yeah? make an effort.

    mayb...just mayb...'they will come'
    what's to gain.. pain[?].
    ur call.
    enuff
     
  8. Yen

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    I have both audio books. The Power of Now and A New Earth. And I had the chance to visit him live when he once came back to Germany.
    They belong to the most important books I ever have got. :)

    I listen to them from time to time whenever I have the feeling my mind is stuck in ever repeating patterns and hence I got a sort of powerless ..to get a new perspective on things.
     
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    WOW the crust is out their man!!!
     
  10. gorski

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    What if "God" actually exists?:eek::p:D

    And "s/he" is omniscient...:cool:

    But isn't omnipotent...:oops:

    Wouldn't that be a fu**er...:yeahyeah::hangloose::pardon:
     
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    The doctor asked if I heard voices ... I said yes. He said what voices?... I said yours.


    gorski, Please define what "Fur**er" would be to you. This generation has no idea of WWII because it is no longer taught in schools.
     
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    @Joe C: Unless you're home schooled by skinheads.

    In which case, you're taught that the holocaust is a myth... o_O
     
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    Joe, please quote me academically correctly... :p:D You have an R too many in there... so implication is false... It's f*oo*c*k*er, not Hitler or some such sociopath... ;)

    And yes, not teaching that episode in schools is a fuc**er!!!
     
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    Only Theurgy is important nothing else. The Bible is a false document. Enjoy reading.
    1.Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
    (a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
    (b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

    2.In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
    (a) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
    (b) One million, one hundred thousand (IChronicles 21:5)

    3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?
    (a) Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
    (b) Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

    4.God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
    (a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
    (b) Three (I Chronicles 21:12)

    5.How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
    (a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
    (b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

    6.How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
    (a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
    (b) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

    7.How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
    (a) Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
    (b) Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)

    8.The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at on
    (a) Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
    (b) Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)

    9.When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philist
    (a) After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
    (b) Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

    10.How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
    (a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
    (b) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark.

    11.When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
    (a) One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
    (b) Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)

    12.How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?
    (a) Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
    (b) Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)

    13.In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?
    (a) Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8)
    (b) Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)

    14.How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?
    (a) Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
    (b) Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)

    15.Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
    (a) Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
    (b) Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)

    16.Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of
    Pahrath-Moab?
    (a) Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
    (b) Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)

    17.How many were the children of Zattu?
    (a) Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)
    (b) Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)

    18.How many were the children of Azgad?
    (a) One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
    (b) Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)

    19.How many were the children of Adin?
    (a) Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
    (b) Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)

    20.How many were the children of Hashum?
    (a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)
    (b) Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)

    21.How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?
    (a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)
    (b) One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)

    22.Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the
    numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:
    (a) 29,818 (Ezra)
    (b) 31,089 (Nehemiah)

    23.How many singers accompanied the assembly?
    (a) Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)
    (b) Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)

    24.What was the name of King Abijah’s mother?
    (a) Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
    (b) Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name
    was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)

    25.Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?
    (a) Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
    (b) No (Joshua 15:63)

    26.Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?
    (a) Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
    (b) Hell (Luke 3:23)

    27.Jesus descended from which son of David?
    (a) Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
    (b) Nathan (Luke3: 31)

    28.Who was the father of Shealtiel?
    (a) Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
    (b) Neri’ (Luke 3:27)

    29.Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?
    (a) Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
    (b) Rhesa (Luke 3:27) but the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i. Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii.
    Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v. Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names
    Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.

    30.Who was the father of Uzziah?
    (a) Joram (Matthew 1:8)
    (b) Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)

    31.Who as the father of Jechoniah?
    (a) Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
    (b) Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)

    32.How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?
    (a) Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
    (b) But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)

    33.Who was the father of Shelah?
    (a) Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
    (b) Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)

    34.Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?
    (a) Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
    (b) No (John 1:19-21)

    35.Would Jesus inherit David’s throne?
    (a) Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
    (b) No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was
    cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon David’s throne (Jeremiah 36:30)

    36.Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?
    (a) One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). “And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their
    garments on it; and he sat upon it.”
    (b) Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). “They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments
    on them and he sat thereon.”

    37.How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?
    (a) By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
    (b) His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)

    38.Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?
    (a) By the Sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
    (b) On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)

    39.When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus’ daughter already dead?
    (a) Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, “My daughter has just died.”
    (b) No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, “My little daughter is at the point of death.”

    40.Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?
    (a) Yes (Mark6: 8)
    (b) No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)

    41.Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?
    (a) Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)
    (b) No (Luke 9:9)

    42.Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?
    (a) Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)
    (b) No (John 1:32,33)

    43.Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?
    (a) Yes (John 1:32, 33)
    (b) No (Matthew 11:2)

    44.According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?
    (a) “If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true” (John 5:3 1)
    (b) “Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true” (John 8:14)

    45.When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?
    (a) Yes (Matthew 21:12)
    (b) No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did not
    went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple
    Mark I 1:1-17).

    46.The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?
    (a) Yes. (Matthew 21:19)
    (b) No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)

    47.Did Judas kiss Jesus?
    (a) Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
    (b) No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)

    48.What did Jesus say about Peter’s denial?
    (a) “The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times” (John 13:38).
    (b) “Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times” (Mark 14:30). When the cock crowed
    once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.

    49.Did Jesus bear his own cross?
    (a) Yes (John 19:17)
    (b) No (Matthew 27:31-32)

    50.Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?
    (a) Yes (Matthew27: 50-5 1;MarklS: 37-38)
    (b) No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into thy hands I
    commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)

    51.Did Jesus say anything secretly?
    (a) No. “I have said nothing secretly” (John 18:20)
    (b) Yes. “He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained
    everything” (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him “Why do you speak to them in parables?” He said, “To
    you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given”
    (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)

    52.Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?
    (a) On the cross (Mark 15:23)
    (b) In Pilate’s court (John 19:14)

    53.The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?
    (a) Yes (Mark 15:32)
    (b) No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)

    54.Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?
    (a) Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, “Today you will be with me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43)
    (b) No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, “I have not yet ascended to the Father” (John 20:17)

    55.When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with
    him hear the voice?
    (a) Yes (Acts9: 7)
    (b) No (Acts22: 9)

    56.When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground?
    (a) Yes (Acts 26:14)
    (b) No (Acts 9:7)

    57.Did the voice spell out on the spot what Paul’s duties were to be?
    (a) Yes (Acts 26:16-18)
    (b) No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he
    must do. (Acts9: 7; 22: 10)

    58.When the Israelites dwelt in s**ttin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck
    them with a plague. How many people died in that plague?
    (a) Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)
    (b) Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:8)

    59.How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?
    (a) Seventy souls (Genesis 4&27)
    (b) Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)

    60.What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?
    (a) He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)
    (b) He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the
    temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)

    61.How did Judas die?
    (a) After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)
    (b) After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle
    and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)

    62.Why is the field called “Field of Blood”?
    (a) Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:8)
    (b) Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)

    63.Who is a ransom for whom?
    (a) “The Son of Man came...to give his life as a ransom for many” (Mark 10:45). “Christ Jesus who gave
    himself as a ransom for all... “(I Timothy 2:5-6)
    (b) “The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright” (Proverbs 21:18)

    64.Is the Law of Moses useful?
    (a) Yes. “All scripture is... profitable...” (2 Timothy 3:16)
    (b) No. “ . . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness... “(Hebrews
    7:18)

    65.What was the exact wording on the cross?
    (a) “This is Jesus the King of the Jews” (Matthew 27:37)
    (b) “The King of the Jews” (Mark 15:26)
    (c) “This is the King of the Jews” (Luke 23:38)
    (d) “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews” (John 19:19)

    66.Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist?
    (a) Yes (Matthew 14:5)
    (b) No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a
    righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20)

    67.Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?
    (a) Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19)
    (b) Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Luke’s gospel (Luke 6:12-16)

    68.Jesus saw a man sit at the tax collector’s office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name?
    (a) Matthew (Matthew 9:9)
    (b) Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27)

    69.Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?
    (a) After (Mark 14:12-17)
    (b) Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other
    disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When
    Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilate’s judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to
    eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth
    hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)

    70.Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?
    (a) Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)
    (b) No. (John 12:27)

    71.In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did ‘he move away
    from his disciples to pray?
    (a) Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42)
    (b) One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46)

    72.Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the
    second prayer?
    (a) Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark
    14:3 9)
    (b) Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew
    26:42)

    73.What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?
    (a) “Certainly this man was innocent” (Luke 23:47)
    (b) “Truly this man was the Son of God” (Mark 15:39)

    74.When Jesus said “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me? ” in what language did he speak?
    (a) Hebrew: the words are “Eloi, Eloi…“(Matthew 27:46)
    (b) Aramaic: the words are “Eloi, Eloi... “(Mark 15:34)

    75.According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?
    (a) “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” (Luke 23:46)
    (b) "It is finished" (John 19:30).

    76.When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally
    to request Jesus for this?
    (a) Yes (Matthew 8:5)
    (b) No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3,6)

    77. (a) Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis
    2:17)
    (b) Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)

    78. (a) God decided that the life span of humans will be limited to 120 years (Genesis 6:3)
    (b) Many people born after that lived longer than 120. Arpachshad lived 438 years. His son Shelah lived
    433 years. His son Eber lived 464 years, etc. (Genesis 11:12-16)

    79.Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?
    (a) No (John 3:13)
    (b) Yes. “And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven” (2 Kings 2:11)

    80.Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread?
    (a) Abiathar (Mark 2:26)
    (b) Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20)

    81.Was Jesus’ body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?
    (a) Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)
    (b) No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices “so
    that they may go and anoint him [Jesus)” (Mark 16: 1)

    82.When did the women buy the spices?
    (a) After “the Sabbath was past” (Mark 16:1)
    (b) Before the Sabbath. The women “prepared spices and ointments.” Then, “on the Sabbath they rested
    according to the commandment” (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)

    83.At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?
    (a) “Toward the dawn” (Matthew 28: 1)
    (b) “When the sun had risen” (Mark 16:2)

    84.What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?
    (a) To anoint Jesus’ body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)
    (b) To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)
    (c) For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath
    (John 20: 1)

    85.A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?
    (a) They saw that the stone was “Rolled back” (Mark 16:4) They found the stone “rolled away from the
    tomb” (Luke 24:2) They saw that “the stone had been taken away from the tomb” (John 20:1)
    (b) As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed
    with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew
    28:1-6)

    86.Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus’ body?
    (a) Yes. “A young man in a white robe” (Mark 16:5). “Two men ... in dazzling apparel” later described as
    angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each
    case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5
    footnote)
    (b) No. Mary met no one and returned saying, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not
    know where they have laid him” (John 20:2)

    87.When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?
    (a) Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb.
    They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)
    (b) On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did
    not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus’ body is laid to rest
    somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him
    and called him “Teacher.” Jesus said to her, “Do not hold me...” (John 20:11 to 17)

    88.What was Jesus’ instruction for his disciples?
    (a) “Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me” (Matthew 2 8: 10)
    (b) “Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and
    your God” (John 20:17)

    89.When did the disciples return to Galilee?
    (a) Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee “some doubted” (Matthew 28:17). This period
    of uncertainty should not persist
    (b) After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus
    appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high”
    (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them “during forty days” (Acts 1:3), and “charged them not to depart
    from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise ... “(Acts 1:4)

    90.To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?
    (a) “To the Ishmaelites” (Genesis 37:28)
    (b) “To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh” (Genesis 37:36)

    91.Who brought Joseph to Egypt?
    (a) The Ishmaelites bought Joseph and then “took Joseph to Egypt” (Genesis 37:28)
    (b) “The Midianites had sold him in Egypt” (Genesis 37:36)
    (c) Joseph said to his brothers “I am your brother, Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt” (Genesis 45:4)

    92.Does God change his mind?
    (a) Yes. “The word of the Lord came to Samuel: “I repent that I have made Saul King...” (I Samuel 15:10
    to 11)
    (b) No. God “will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent” (I Samuel 15:29)
    (c) Yes. “And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel” (I Samuel 15:35). Notice that
    the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that
    God repented on several other occasions:
    i. “The Lord was sorry that he made man” (Genesis 6:6)
    “I am sorry that I have made them” (Genesis 6:7)
    ii. “And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people” (Exodus 32:14).
    iii. (Lots of other such references).

    93.The Bible says that for each miracle Moses and Aaron demonstrated the magicians did the same by
    their secret arts. Then comes the following feat:
    (a) Moses and Aaron converted all the available water into blood (Exodus 7:20-21)
    (b) The magicians did the same (Exodus 7:22). This is impossible, since there would have been no water
    left to convert into blood.

    94.Who killed Goliath?
    (a) David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)
    (b) Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)

    95.Who killed Saul?
    (a) “Saul took his own sword and fell upon it.... Thus Saul died... (I Samuel 31:4-6)
    (b) An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)

    96.Does every man sin?
    (a) Yes. “There is no man who does not sin” (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9;
    Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)
    (b) No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. “Every one who
    believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God. (I John 5:1). “We should be called children of God; and
    so we are” (I John 3: 1). “He who loves is born of God” (I John 4:7). “No one born of God commits sin;
    for God’s nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God” (I John 3:9). But, then
    again, Yes! “If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” (I John 1:8)

    97.Who will bear whose burden?
    (a) “Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ” (Galatians 6:2)
    (b) “Each man will have to bear his own load” (Galatians 6:5)

    98.How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?
    (a) Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)
    (b) Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9;
    Luke 24:3 3)

    99.Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?
    (a) After his baptism, “the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the
    wilderness forty days ... (Mark 1:12-13)
    (b) Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee - two
    more disciples. Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11)

    100.Was baby Jesus’ life threatened in Jerusalem?
    (a) Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)
    (b) No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to
    the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)

    101.When Jesus walked on water how did the disciples respond?
    (a) They worshipped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God” (Matthew 14:33)
    (b) “They were utterly astounded, for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were
    hardened” (Mark 6:51-52)
     
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  15. Joe C

    Joe C MDL Guru

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    I am not going to go through all of your out of context comments, but I will do that last one just to clarify your misconceptions on your posts...
    Scripture in it's entirety here:
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark 6&version=NIV

    If your going to use scripture to make your point, then you should not take it out of context to skew your views
     
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    Joe C MDL Guru

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    #2116 Joe C, Jan 23, 2020
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    Where or what bible are you reading?
    This is the scripture from Luke 2:21-40 in the NIV bible (New International Version) Please post what Bible version your getting this from. ie: KJV or something else?
    NIV version of Luke 2:21-40:
    Verse 39 states: When Joseph and Mary had done everything required by the Law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee to their own town of Nazareth.

    Clearly it states that the baby Jesus was only 8 days old. Obviously they fled into Egypt at some point after that, Scripture does not say.... but I am not a Bible scholar... Anything else is only conjecture
     
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    This are not conjecture they are facts. I am not expert for English King James Bible but I translate on my language and check Bible on my language except one everything else fits.
    100.Was baby Jesus’ life threatened in Jerusalem?
    (a) Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)
    (b) No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to
    the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)

    a) Yes
    {2:13} And
    when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord
    appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the
    young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be
    thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the
    young child to destroy him. {2:14} When he arose, he took
    the young child and his mother by night, and departed into
    Egypt: {2:15} And was there until the death of Herod: that
    it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the
    prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
    b) No
    {2:21} And when eight days were accomplished for
    the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS,
    which was so named of the angel before he was conceived
    in the womb. {2:22} And when the days of her purification
    according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they
    brought him to Jerusalem, to present [him] to the Lord;
    {2:23} (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male
    that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord
    {2:24} And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is
    said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two
    young pigeons. {2:25} And, behold, there was a man in
    Jerusalem, whose name [was] Simeon; and the same man
    [was] just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel:
    and the Holy Ghost was upon him. {2:26} And it was
    revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see
    death, before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. {2:27} And he
    came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents
    brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of
    the law, {2:28} Then took he him up in his arms, and
    blessed God, and said, {2:29} Lord, now lettest thou thy
    servant depart in peace, according to thy word: {2:30} For
    mine eyes have seen thy salvation, {2:31} Which thou hast
    prepared before the face of all people; {2:32} A light to
    lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.
    {2:33} And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things
    which were spoken of him. {2:34} And Simeon blessed
    them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this [child] is
    set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a
    sign which shall be spoken against; {2:35} (Yea, a sword
    shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of
    many hearts may be revealed. {2:36} And there was one
    Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of
    Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband
    seven years from her virginity; {2:37} And she [was] a
    widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed
    not from the temple, but served [God] with fastings and
    prayers night and day. {2:38} And she coming in that
    instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of
    him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.
    {2:39} And when they had performed all things according
    to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their
    own city Nazareth. {2:40}
     
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    #2118 Joe C, Jan 24, 2020
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    This is your own personal issue:
    I am afraid I did not got through your entire post because your first response was: :100.Was baby Jesus’ life threatened in Jerusalem?"
    Baby Jesus was born in Bethlehem, and his home was in Nazareth where his (step) farther was a carpenter) It was King Herod that made an order to kill all infants (when he heard from the wise men that a king would be born from sign of a star in Bethlehem) when an angel told Joseph to go to Egypt. Scripture does not state the age of the baby Jesus when they escaped to Egypt to avoid the baby killing from the order of Herod.
    Why do you not say what version or Scripture you are quoting from? If you are going to go on a rant about Jesus then it would only be common courtesy to mention the version of scripture that you are quoting from.
     
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    OH boy baby Jesus is this were we are at now... how about this Jesus;)

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    Yeah, all naked facts, angels and whispering and all that... Blimey!
     
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