If God is Omniscient then Human is not free.

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Free will doesn't exist If God is omniscient.

  1. If yes, why?

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  2. If no, then how?

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  1. R29k

    R29k MDL GLaDOS

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    What exactly are your agreeing to, be specific and detailed?!
     
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  2. Joe C

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    I think this goes all the back to the Garden of Eden, where man shows God that he thinks he does not need God, and can become God-like all by himself. With knowledge of good & evil. This did kill man's spirituality with God, and sent man into the world we now have.
    Man does not need to be removed from the Earth to save it, People need a change of heart
     
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  3. R29k

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    Save the Earth :eek: the Earth doesn't need saving! The Earth is till it isn't, when it isn't that will be decided by forces much greater than humanity.
    I'm not going to comment on the other fictitious stuff you posted, that's up to the reader to decide.
     
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  4. Joe C

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    What one considers fictitious and what it not, is up the the person's spiritual views.
    This thread is about God..... is it not?
    If you have no beliefs then why post here?
     
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  5. Mr.X

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    God is omniscient. He created coronavirus. Coronavirus is going to kill us all ergo Human is not free at all.
     
  6. Joe C

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    It's all God's fault for everything we have
     
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  7. R29k

    R29k MDL GLaDOS

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    That mumbo jumbo / spirituality is a prerequisite to understanding a God is a sad fallacy. You will never understand, appease, bribe, beg or lie to an omniscient being. Think about it, an omniscient being makes prayer and collection plates and whatever else obselete! You are viewing the timeline as linear when the being exists outside time Hence an omniscient being existing means there is no free will. How can you have free will when your end is known before you started?!
    Your spirituality will only work on the god with the small g. Which is nothing more than a human concept of an upgraded king to control the filthy masses.
     
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  8. MS_User

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    God is consciousness he is inside of all us....the God in the bible is BS made up by very smart humans to control the masses;)
     
  9. Joe C

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    Reading in the first chapters of Genesis, God made the plants and trees before he created the sun light... thems smarts peoples would know to do that?
    Just something like many other things in that BS book for you to consider .....God also stated he would confound those that think they are smart to make them look stupid too.
     
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  10. Joe C

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    That is one of the most narrow minded views I have seen in this thread so far! Congrats
     
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  11. Yen

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    #2171 Yen, Mar 19, 2020
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    From the perspective of a human individual that is involved into linear thinking (and due to it is distracted) prayer (and meditation) are not obsolete IF they lead to an experience of that what currently IS. The now.

    From the perspective of that what currently is it is obsolete, yes. It remains untouched by any 'actions'.

    Being 'outside' of time does not mean 'your' end is known before it has started. It means present past and future are indistinguishable.
    It means that that what you really are cannot gain or lose any-thing. 'It' is (already) what it is and by that the question free will or not is senseless. The dualism of free will or not is human thought.

    Only that what you think you are can gain or lose. And only what you think you are has no free will. (It is an idea).

    The god (small g) is object as soon it is observed (a personal object). The subject (GOD) ever remains as it is, though. By (this) observation also other objects are related which are essential that that what we know as observation can happen at all.

    The idea of 'you' the idea of space and time...and the idea of GOD which becomes god.

    The eternal and the finite.
    Why has 'a moment' no time but seemingly there is moment after moment and by that time?
    If a moment has no time then there cannot be moment after moment.

    'Thinking' about that lets differentiate god from GOD. And mediation and yes prayer can be means.
     
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  12. MS_User

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    well at that time man still believe the world was flat and the earth was the center of the universe and does were the smart people the rest of the masses didnt even know how to read or write so they were easy to fool....the bible are many books put together to make one in different ancient languages the translation of the book of genesis could be wrong....Joe C believe in the bible and Jesus is the son of God REALLY :D:D:D:D
     
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    #2173 R29k, Mar 20, 2020
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    @Yen, linear progression would be from the perspective of the individual. The God just is ...

    RE: Spiritualism
    Personally I think realtiy is simpler. Everything is energy bound by the conservation of energy, there are just state changes. Those state changes have been misinterpreted by humans.
     
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  14. R29k

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    People just don't like the truth. They prefer the roses and honey. You need to broaden your perspective.
     
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  15. Joe C

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    I do not see that as an issue, If it bother's you then it sounds like it is your problem with others that have different beliefs.
     
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  16. why @MS_User laughing in name of Jesus :( . its very bad .
     
  17. MS_User

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    #2177 MS_User, Mar 20, 2020
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    im not laughing i just dont believe the story of the son of God to be a true story...he was a man like u and me nothing else....the concept of the holly child comes from ancient egypt heres osiris holding the holy child...must likely jesus got his hands on old manuscripts and learn of the story and adopted it and preach it to his followers...who knows very little if nothing is really know about jesus early years.

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  18. Joe C

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    If you want to believe in Osiris, why should that bother me? Your welcome to do whatever you like in whom you wish to worship
     
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  19. MS_User

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    i dont believe in any of it im just saying the story of the holly child is very old before the time of Jesus.
     
  20. R29k

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    Umm just going to throw this out there, if 5 billion people say the wrong thing it still doesn't make it right!
     
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