If God is Omniscient then Human is not free.

The answer to that question is YES.

Much more than I care to admit.

Frankly, God HAS interfered, many times in my life. BAD choices on my part (that is what I learned) but had it not been for that interference I would not be here typing this.
Someone who once knew me well said that I was the only one he knew that could repeatedly stumble headlong into a manure pit and come out smelling like a rose every time.... So I had help
He is still a bastard, he could have instead given me foresight during those times.

And that is "normal" free will at work.

 

I am done with you since I used no link.
Also if you weren't inebriated you would realize that the above was a baseline of God's normal work, not a silly game.
But you have no belief so it matters not what example(s) I give.
You are now on ignore.
Have a wonderful life.
Perhaps I shall someday see you in hell.

 

@JFKI: Let's not forget "Doubting Thomas."

 

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In the case of the parent
= Premeditated no. - The human parent doesn't (normally) plan what when how. When they do it's usually called Child Abuse.
= Inevitable yes - It's not avoidable for a human parent.
In the case of a God
= Premeditated yes. - because he's omnipotent and omniscient
= Inevitable no.- being omnipotent he can provide the knowledge without punishment.
Further, can can provide the knowledge of what punishment is like so there is no need for it.

The difference is similar to the idea of Entrapment in Law.
There is a difference in catching someone in some act vs deliberately creating a situation where the act happens just so you can catch them.

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By the course of the conversation it should blatantly what knowledge we are talking about.
You've been interrupted by work so I will refresh your memory.

The Thumpers (at large) claim is that God created a situation where Adam would misbehave in order to teach him something.
The knowledge of concern is that 'something' the God wishes to teach.
And the point is an omnipotent omniscient God would be able to instill that knowledge at creation thereby voiding the need for the training program and punishment.

Thus either:
God is not omnipotent and omniscient
or
God chooses to be cruel.

You've clearly made your choice.

So for your mythology (or whatever the politically correct term is) it isn't a conflict for God to be omnipotent and omniscient.
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Trying to discuss with believers is a waste of time..

Philip Roth, the greatest amongst still living writes described God, should he exist, reasonably as "the union between a perverted arsehole and an evil genius"

And then, there is this:

 

I realize this but:
- I'm about 36 hours into an insomnia attack and nothing much to do. (Least that I wanna do on this little sleep.)
- I find it entertaining and payback for all those times people tried to convert me AFTER I told them to leave me alone.
- The smarter the opponent is the more fun it is. I usually learn something new too.
This particular argument is well polished. Had it several times before.
I have a couple more reserved for another time.

Thanks for the good willed advice though.
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Quite sure it was there earlier. If it makes you feel better I'll edit.

My total alcohol consumption consists of 4 or 5 margaritas a YEAR. Always ONE over dinner at a nice restaurant.
Zero so far this year.
I don't do illegal drugs either and I haven't been inebriated since the mid 90's.

YOU are the one that suggested God plays silly games. - Post 1720.

I just asked you show examples that silly games are in his nature.

I do have beliefs. I just don't share yours.

Evidently you're not that firm in your beliefs.

You too.

Not actually possible unless you are referring to the Persian Gulf and I've already been there 7 times.

 

Original sin was invented by Milton in the book "Paradise Lost." It did not exist as a concept before then.

 

I find it interesting that those that do not belief, atheists or agnostic post how much they do not believe and why they don't, and also this god they do not believe is a mean and hateful god that is uncaring and also fairy tale all at the same time. There is always some references to old testament or a rabbinical law to support their belief (that's kinda strange ain't it?), more than people post if they believe and why.
Do you have a reason for this behavior?
Do you feel this way about Buddhists gods?
How about Allah, do you have the same reason to feel you need to strongly defend your belief of not believing if you confront someone of a different god ?

 

He has been on ignore here for quite some time.
I really don't think he has anything of value to say anyway.

PCBONES on the other hand was interesting for a bit regarding the nuclear stuff, but when one blatantly tries twisting my words and accusing me of doing stuff I didn't do they are simply not worth it.... Correction, their character is simply not worth it.

That type of info (nuclear) is plentiful if you know where to look, hearing about it first hand was interesting but it is really no great loss.

Oh, and I generally don't use web links regarding discussions like this.
I use the 1611 KJV in .djvu format, digitized at the University of Pennsylvania and the Digital Qur'an v3, a windows program developed by the late Mr. Sony Sugema, which is interesting because it has the Arabic text, audio of the verses/prayers in their natural language built in and you can follow along in English text... Actually there are many languages included.

I do that because there has been way too much disinformation spread by Christians, Muslims, and just A$$holes in general, and everywhere.

 

Regardless of the naysayers, I have come to the conclusion that there are no different Gods.

It is one God interpreted in many different ways.

 

My God is the only one, and if you don't believe in him you are going to hell!

 

That is where I expect to go anyway so that is, as usual, an empty threat from you.

 

I really don't care what others believe, and I don't care if others like what I either believe in or not. Actually I DO care but only for discussion's sake, and not conversion.

 

I wasn't talking about ThomasMann. I was talking about the Apostle Thomas.

And who cares whether or not they believe in anything. I certainly don't.

@dhjohns: I agree. And I know many Christians, Muslims Jews and A$$holes who feel the same way as I do.

"Many Names, one face."

 

Indeed, no logic, argument or demonstration will stand against dogma, superstition or prejudice.

Even in "open-minded" discussions, people don't agree with others' opinions. They agree to their personal opinion expressed by others.

 

Your Karma ran over my Dogma.

 

I WANT TO BELIEVE.