It's like with Windows ME. It was a total failure. So they learned and made Windows XP. Same goes for Vista. It's 1 good OS 1 bad, and so it goes
Yeah, I see, thanks for clarifying, Yen. Either way, my point that it requires virtually no effort on the part of MS to blacklist a specific key or PID seems valid, so there is very little doubt in my mind that MS will block the leaked key.
I personally think you are all overreacting. I also think the title is misleading. Will the key get blacklisted? I see no mention of blacklisting in the msdn blog post. Here are the facts I see from that post: a. Microsoft will seek to alert customers who are using the leaked key that they are running a non-genuine copy of Windows. (one can presume this means WGA blacklist, but who knows) b. No computers will be sold with the leaked key. c. Windows 7 includes an improved ability to detect hacks/activation exploits and alert people who are using a pirated copy. (this could even refer to the RC activation hacks) d. Using the leaked key and the 'hack' indicates that the copy of windows may not be genuine, and customers should expect windows to detect them. e. What they are saying in the post, mostly, is that their primary goal is to avoid a situation where PC's are being sold with the hack. "The way in which we will respond to this particular issue will be designed to reduce the likelyhood that someone could manufacture and sell our software or a PC pre-loaded with software that uses this hack. I think in time we'll see that we are effective at achieving that goal." "In time" could mean SP1. Everything said in the post can be interpreted differently. Most people decided this means the key will be blacklisted. It could mean nothing for us, really.
This is how I understood it as well ... reactions should take place when the action occurs, not prematurely?
Exactly. When releasing statements, companies like MS use big corporate words which are vague and don't really mean anything, but sounds like they're taking tough action. We will see in time if they actually revoke the key, but it's probably not worth their while.
It *may* be worth their while, in this specific case ( no machines yet in end-user hands with the compromised key ). But AFAIK no OEM-SLP key which is in real end-user land has ever been blacklisted. It's simply not worth the grief. As I see it, worst case is we need to leech some further genuine OEM-SLP keys from machines which are in mass-end-user-land ( which will be a trivial exercise ). They are IMHO never going to be messed with, the grief would be too costly. Time will tell, I'm relaxed about it for the meantime. I'm slightly surprised that MS and partners didn't update the SLIC spec to include an OEM-signed digest of the *whole* BIOS, to prevent people playing games with the BIOS. Then OEMs could update their BIOS whenever they wanted, but sign it and add the 'whole BIOS' sig in the new SLIC. That would possibly shut down BIOS modding PDQ. -- Regards, SC
Ya know, It certainly is not worth all the fuss. At worst what happens. The W7 needs to be reinstalled and rearmed a couple of times..So what. Not one person here with any knowledge thought this would last. I am still surprised it went this far. If the key does get blacklisted, you will get first hand knowledge of the new WGA stuff. In my opinion, if you are using a new OS only a few weeks in the wild, using a leaked key, and putting it on a computer you use everyday and cannot afford to be without; you did this to yourself. I read this thread, and the average post count for response is less than five. The hysterical individuals are the ignorant ones. This frakus has been going on for less than a month, if you expect nothing to change in the next six months, then you have not been using Windows long.. I, for one, side with Chinaforever and Yen. Chill out people, dont update from windows, and relax. I am kinda curious about the WGA actions and what expectations come to fruition; beyond that, it is no big deal. If you have put all you information and "eggs in one basket" with the newly leaked W7, then you deserve what you get..Be patient and relax..
Say they end up blacklisting 22TKD-, and end up marking our systems non-genuine with WGA check and we get nagging pop-ups about it. Do you think it will be a simple uninstall of nagging-popups and a change of key (slmgr.vbs -ipk) will solve it? (judging that Vista SP1/SP2 hasn't blocked the ASUS and DELL keys) ... or will it be a nightmare to uninstall the nagging pop-ups (which was a problem in XP i think?)
Hmmmmm, im slightly confused by this. Once OEM copies ship on PC's and get into the mitts of the public, it will likley be mere days before OEM keys start appearing on the net from all different OEMs. Makes me wonder what the point of this is, blacklisting and making the OEM change. Seems like some sort of publicity thing, a way to repremand the OEM for tainting the launch of W7. In the grand scheme of things, once the PC's ship they are back to square one.
Can anyone answer my question? If I want to change the key, all I have to do to enter "slmgr.vbs -ipk" from the command prompt and type in a new one?
hahahaha yeah... worst case, even *if* you end up blacklisted, it isn't the end of the world. if you put this on your primary computer 3 months before it's official release, you should know to keep your files backed up on an external or secondary drive anyway. not that you even have to reformat to deal with it.. but if you so chose, it still would be cake. hell, sometimes it's even fun idk, it must be that clean, fresh feeling of a new OS installation that i love so much. like your computer just took a much-needed shower.
That's exactly correct. So far, one OEM key has leaked, and there's a hoo-ha about blocking it. The only reason they can even consider this is because no machines are in end-user hands. In a few weeks, there will be a torrent of OEM keys, which will *all* be in end-user-land, and essentially untouchable. There is no point, other that posturing. Your understanding is 100% correct. -- SC
That's because the people that run NW are a bunch of self righteous hypocrites. You can't post anything without them douche's coming down on it. But as long as it gets site traffic, it'll be plastered all over the front page. They seem to forget what that site was all about when it was first started. /rant over
There are two points to this: Spreading some FUD, maybe scaring a few of the more timid pirates. But the main point is: Commercial counterfeiters would be able to sell their illegal copies without any competition from Microsoft until October 22nd.
A few years ago ms had them kick off the internet because of warez so now if anything come up that is a crack they have to tell ms