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See how much stuff there is in Win10 ... this forum should join forces and help make one custom template ISO which would have a basis for all the stuff all different people seek.

Or more specifically, a deyployment platform,

I just don't get how much of the people are so interested and put so much time into the gimmicks such as WMC, it's just beyond me, can't you have a break listening to music for a while, can't you listen on another OS or on the phone, why do you have to consume daily entrtainment like you're life depends upon it?, this is the research period when a new OS comes out, everyone should band together to make some kind of a platform, the idea that you'd want to just quickly move to the new operating system and enjoy "cool new features" (half broken) as fast as possible has nothing to do with,

Everyone's running around trying to make WMC work and whatever, you all lose time and effort and make up all this drama around it, a year later things will change, updates will come, you'll have to reinstall it anyway and maybe it's going to be fixed and it'll either be all over again, or a final fresh working start which means all this thinkering about one feature wen't for nothing.

But it seems like a lot of people install the OS and expect it to work and then whine when some update breaks something, that's how it always was, a new operating system especially the ones Microsoft makes are just

It saddens to me that all these people are all beta testers, but MS doesn't ever take such advice, so it's all thinkering for nothing, we should be focusing on what we want, not helping MS, they do what they want with or without your shadow-release beta test tinkering 2 year period.


Everyone should be contributing to research to build a big utility that would do all these things in, including WMC, I'm not preventing people from freedom, I'm just saying you're not focusing on the under-the-hood stuff first, because that will all make more problem later, cortana will do some crap under the hood, mess something up, then you'll spend week tinkering about that, while others won't have that problem at all and will just keep actually using the OS for their benefit and not tinker every other day, yes I'm investing into super-tinkering now, so I don't have to re-tinker things later, this is simply how experience has thought me , so every time a new version comes out you have some established platform, you only have to change a bit of the difference that a new version could make, and you're back in business.

Now many people just install what their eyes think it's cool, they throw a bunch of things on, kinda works half way, then they get bored, they redo the whole thing, and so the cycle repeats, this is the kind of stuff I was doing when I was 15 years old, but we didn't had such big deals back in those days, now we're up to a behemoth, and the core heads of this community have to step up and give hoards of these shool kids some direction because there's no time for them to learn on their own, there's no time for babysitting come on people.

I admit I could step up and make drafts for this type of thing, but I can't because of other non-tech things, I will, later next year, but don't blame me, I have to delay things, ITU Rec. 2020 colorspace and HDR , this support is a big deal, I can't base my idea on a source that doesn't support that, a huge future-proof feature. But it's all good, I got other important work to finish in mean time anyway.

I just find this whole idea of buying into this dream of updating an OS on a daily basis thinking it's all cool and going to work, then applying some mods ontop of that install, the mods that are all over the place, having to remember the whole wild west, and everyone's using a different flavor, some people don't find some stuff some do, because it's all a individual effort on your own clean install, the biggest downside of them all is when you want to resintall, you have to do this ALL OVER AGAIN, and Win7 was manageable, but Win10 is such a behemoth there's so much tinkering to do for it to be practical to do every install, which makes all the other advanced users who would tweak their Win7 to just be absorbed into the abyss, yes, many people get DISCOURAGED because of the intimidating nature of Win10, so all these semi-gurus now fall into the trap psychologically being pulled into, I suffer from this as well, it took me a year to even start thinking about this, several months later to even start asking ISO people on this forum how to get started, I still believe it's impossible for one guy to do this kind of an idea, but I have that spark, and I'm pushing forward, even if it looks unwinnable right now, somebody has to do it, somebody has break the ice, so I'm trying to explain to you people that it is possible, we do not need to rely on the new ways of how things are done, new GUI that kills multitasking, we do not need to adapt to it, it'll take more team effort with this OS, that's the problem, the practicality of one guy making this is low, by the time a good first release is made there will be like .. 2 years after the source ISO, with big guru team effort we can make this in like 6 months for the initial demo, once people see that it's going to take off like a rocket.

... what if the authors stop making updates to all these wild apps out there, you have no experience how it works under the hood and you're screwed, unless you find something else, if there is an established community following all thest tools and updates under the hoowd, then a replacement can be made quickly, or an incremental update to make it compatible is much more easier, and the best part about it is, lower-level experienced people can take over maintenance of something that very experienced gurus did, because when you just go in, have a feel for it, I'm not saying all the WMC people have to learn some coding, no, because you need demand and support, first it starts with vision and then it stars with feeling positive about it, having an interest into it, this will give morale to more experienced people to have a look on how it could be done, and that's how the whole community can swing into that way because, and the advanced gurus provide research and results into the thing what will make most of the community happy, so, you get this effect when the most popular group, which may not necessairly be most optimal, controls the direction of the whole community effort.



So this updating-and-hoping-nothing-breaks thing it's all just a convenience roulette which comes at a cost that kills that benefit from the convenience half the time. I installed over 80 updates with WSUSOFFLINE for Windows 7, it wasn't easy since I spent like 3-4 days deeply thinkering to HAND PICK the updates out of 200 or something that I should apply according to MS, SO what's the result, It's broken and I have to reinstall to fix it ANYWAY, so we get back to square one, maybe just maybe I could fix it by making this: Testing 80 cases by uninstalling the updates one by one.

Which would amount ot making a clonezilla image of my SSD for all cases. First the control or backup case, the current one, then I would uninstall updates but it would involve also re-loading the control one, so,

1. get clonezilla, make bootable usb, reboot pc
2. make control image
3. reboot pc
4. uninstal update 1.
5. reboot pc
6. test
7. uninstall update 2.
8. reboot pc
9. test
10. unstall update 3.
...etc
...
268. test, workeafter uninstalling update 83

LOOK HOW MUCH LOST WORK WOULD THAT BE!!!

So, you people need to learn how to use a save feature, it's been around in gaming for very long time now, this is exactly like having 1 life in super mario 64 or 1 heart in Zelda with no saving feature. It's ridicolous people. This is not a game, this is a big deal, windows classic GUI could be totally killed off, if we're prepared ahead we can quickly mod the new OS that comes out and forcefully insert the classic GUI if they totally wipe it out of under-the-hood, please this is a warning, no I WILL NOT ADAPT TO LINUX, but I have good things to say about it, but I don't share those gurus ideas or values there, and a lot of linux has been infested by new generations of facebook-college kids, they don't respect culture and history, they just want to keep replacing things, so a strong community can't develop itself, those are on totally different planet, I don't like most the GUIs there. But it's not about whos better or not, it's about PRESERVING HISTORY, and yes even if we crap on MS as a corporation it still the producs have great things in them, Windows XP is just so iconic and they crapped on it, just for the kicks and just for respect they should have some minimal , there's no morality in these companies, the heads who run them, so communities such as MDL have to step up and despite all the doom and gloom push the idea of preservation of something that worked great and replacing it is only a marketing gimmick just so it looks different so they can claim it's new so it can be sold, because to the average joe the marketing world just doesn't bother with deep technical details, ... if people preserve it, history books could then be written how MDL helped to keep it alive, isn't that something you could be proud of looking back, yeah, I was part of that community!



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agreed with Yen (missing like button)

 

Yes, unfortunately it was in haste I had so much on my mind, It wasn't the best explanation, and yes I am biased, but openly and have a substantial explanation behind it, but this is only skimming on top, I cannot explain every single example in one post, so, biased toward a different way of doing things in order to provide grounds for multiple kinds of groups to peacefully coexist, not to cause some drama, or to impose my will on the whole community, nor to decide

I will refine my opinion:

Well, I didn't mean to totally prevent advancement, I just think that it is not optimal to be quickly sacrificing and destryoing old classic ways and replacing them with new totally different ones which are in my opinion not an improvement but just a change in type, but the way it's marketed it's obviously labeled as "better" - There is absolutely nothing better with the metro UI when it comes to production, multitasking, those big buttons are made for the cringe-worthy inaccuracy of the idea of touch-screens, where you have to

So, have coexistance between the classic and modern ways of doing things, but I do not recognize te modern ways as superior, and I think that many people are giving up on classic ways simply because they feel overpowered by the push that's generated by the consensus, and don't have the willpower to challenge it.

It's the media that peddles this whole idea that anything old is bad, they're job is to promote new corporate products, they obviously want to downplay anything that's old and give a positive bias toward things that are newer which are currently being sold and stocks depend upon it, speaking generally, I'm not including the enthusiast media here.

When soldiers go to combat they hold their weapons in their hand and pull the trigger with their finger, they don't touch their forehad with their fingers, obscuring their vision, to fire the weapon.

Some of those things okay aren't to be taken 100%, I just think that sometimes even linux people make subjective choices in the way things run, behave, and are programmed, and okay I used a college-kid insult, don't take it personally, but there is a group of people who push the kind of their own ways in the linux world, but they still call it all open source and everyone can contribute, it's obvious that it goes into the direction of what the key core contributors , not that they are bad or mean anything bad, I'm pointing it out that this is subtle and can sneak up on anyone if it's not paying attention.

The key difference is, I'm not trying to prevent the consensus going forward where they want, as long as they don't seek out to directly prevent classic , I'm just trying to preserve the classic one, and

I'm already seeing how there may be a big fight between VR HMDs and classic LCD/OLED Monitors in the future, nobody's preventing you to watch your movie inside VR, but I don't want things strapped on my head all day. Especially if they'll eventually be wireless-only, I don't want a brain tumor either.

See John Carmack wasn't a college kid, he dropped out to make Doom, and look how he cared about open-source, but the colleges now, the professors, the texbooks, they don't teach such ways, such morality or culture, they teach their own ways how to be a worker current environment but with their own vision of things, including visions of private corporations and governments, not very open.

And these robotic-thinking people then have a larger and larger voice and control over the whole industry, and they're not open anymore, this whole point of this explanation is that I'm trying to point it out that their views are also subjective, the way the consensus is going is on my opinion not natural advancement, it's going into a direction that most people adapt to but not actually agree with, most would say they agree with it simply because they know subconsciously they can't challenge the established consensus, or just aren't enthusiastic about it to try, they rather take the easy route and lay down, all these people would probably recognize and be supportive of such a project I mentioned, not for all uses not for all people, but a worthwhile thing to have peacefully coexisting.

The way they name things for example always baffled me, they seem to have this boner for calling everything a

I'm just saying that it's hard for a consensus to be challenged once it's established, and other people can't show up, there are infact many many people who would use a custom ISO i proposed, but , so I'm just sad for people who give up and adapt to the system so easily, I made threads about this idea before, people didn't show hostility, they shown "ahh we all have to get used to it" ...

I'm not against the WMC people directly, have fun all you like, but the way the whole mainstream is going into this direction, I'm sorry but it start with entertainment, entertainment consumers are totally opposite to this mindset, they don't care about multitasking, as long as the music is rocking and movie is playing, they don't care if half the GUI is buggy, they don't seek out all the bugs and complain, they don't cause that much complaints to the manufacturer, therefore adaptable, (that's what allows manufacturer to keep changing things way out of proportion) as long as they get to see that movie and have a good drunk friday night at the end of the day, so this "machine" is knowingly or unknowingly bulldozing the different niche groups, different ways of doing things, mindsets, and communities, but a niche in terms of popularity only, that's what the word means, it doesn't describe anything else, but it's sometimes wrongly used to also mean supposable inferiority.

MS already announced they may get rid of the classic GUI completely, I have my own opinion why are corporations always trying to not-preserve and push "the future", because it really has to be a management decsision to destroy something, you have to mean it, it doesn't happen naturally, things die slowly in nature, cut down trees can regrow sometimes, they don't cut themselfs down one day, someone has to make a conscious purposeful decision to cut it down, next week I'm gonna cut that tree down, it's a direct purposeful action, if I were only focusing on the future I would have left that tree to die slowly on it's own, right ?

So I'm raising this alarm, because I feel we're under direct attack, okay, our way may eventually die out, but why attack us on purpose denying at least some coexistance - I'm not blaming specific people here, I'm trying to warn you that you may be as a whole contributing to this unknowingly, because that's where the consensus is going, but yes you're not personally responsible, it's therefore so hard to detect this because it's stealthy, but it starts with the key industry players ofcourse.

And I didn't came here to whine, I infact applaud and salute this forum, there's so many causes, tools and utilities being discussed here, that are going to be extremely helpful. My proposition is that we would have to go one step futher, and this is my opinion FROM the experience I had with Win7, but more so because with Win10 we have all the extra bloat, I can't even disable a service now, it asks for some extra permissions, it is becoming impractical to have hundreds of utilities and a list of thousands of setting, policy, and registry tweaks to apply manually every time you install Win10. And after an official update it can be so hard to figure out everything that's changed, not to mention forced updates that change something how they like (so it's MS who's forcing their opinion not me trying to warn this forum).. it takes time to analyze and log all the actions the update has made, and updates are also finalized during boot, you can't run Process Monitor while that's taking place, you'd have to make the OS Disk image of both cases and compare them, it's all humongus tedious process, and for every user with variable experience and priorities would have to do this on their own, so a good configuration would not be popular, there would continue to be tens of thousands of different configurations out there, contributing to more compatability issue risk for the whole industry that produces programs for windows. So a custom base-platform ISO would include all the tweaks this forum has researched in the last year, or 2 years, for example, it is then a lot of easier for the average users to then apply only a few tweaks on top to repair the original or alternative functionality if an update has messed it up. But I'm all for a legal way for this, ofcourse doesn't need to be anything officialy with the MDL site or anything, but the way this would be done is just like a mod for a video game, I purchased the product, I adjust it to my personal liking, and I maybe share it with others who should also be legal owners of the prodcut, just like when you buy a car you put your own stuff into the dashboard, you put your own stickers and seat covers in, what's so evil about this, what's so bad about this that it can't coexist with the most modern advancements?

 

Windows 10 can dial home more than ET as far as i am concerned, but it cant do diddly squat if there aint no phone line

 

dont u know that engineers love to change things...no matter how good u mite think a product mite be

 

"If it aint broke, break it anyway"

 

Yes I have to apologize yet again, even tho I am talking deeply and enthusiasm, I'm trying to be fair and objective, but in these cases I just make a lot of grammar errors, I just have a lot on my mind and I already think about the next thing before I finish writting the current one.

First of all, I'm not saying this as some kind of an appeal to MDL, or to demand for ISOs, just to clear that out, I'm saying this as a some kind of historian or analyst just describing, asking a question for the reader to ask himself, that kind of a way.

Some of the unfinished sentences ... an experienced person could fill them out themselfs. But the other comments are not that serious, I wanted to say that linux people have a boner for calling everything a "lib" ... kinda like "i" before "iphone" ... but in haste when I write about something I had on my mind and is really opening my self to deep opinion and has been frustrating I may have these less accurate remarks which I pull back and no I didn't want to go ahead with this boner thing, it's probably technical reasons behind somewhere, maybe not in other cases, but I respectfully admit I do not have enough experience and I wouldn't be the one for such a debate. My mind it's perfect, but this is why this defence mechanism is kinda having a mind on it's own, because

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The primary reason is support for newer CPUs, Rec 2020 colorspace, HDR, WDDM2 and DirectX12, these are a big deal, like many others, I wouldn't even bother with Win10 if it was all possible on Win7. Since you were asking why am I so focused on Win10, not actually, I'm doing a ton of great sorting/archiving things in Win7, and one of the biggest things this year is a new larger monitor, it's a whole new level of desktop realestate and the OS has little to play in this area. Secondly it is the core community who would have find this interesting, I would love to also share such a mod, as in, hey guys, look how can Win10 look and behave like, it doesn't have to be like MS wants.

With the "core", I am excluding the average users, but this is not to be against them, this is because I personally wouldn't be able to deal with supporting their specific ideas along with mine, mostly because of realism in time and effort I could put into such a project. Not to deny them the use of what they want to use, WMC, cortana, metro apps. But this sounds larger than it is, technically it would only be a few things that an average user that wouldn't really make OS unsuable for them, not like half the operating system missing, only a few conveniences and gimmicks would be missing, but they see that as so big, they rely on the spoils so much, they would make a big deal from their point of view.


I absolutely agree with an added EMPHAISIS, that an ISO like this would not be easy to maintain, however, that's why I from the beginning did not mean this for everybody, yes I kinda made it base-platform, but not for everyone, for the advanced core users, several sacrifices can be made for this to be feasible easily with the power and capabilities of such a forum, as an example, I'm not saying that specifically this community has to be involved, less updating would be needed because of several factors, an new version maybe once or twice a year. Younger folks are hungry for updating, they come from school and they check for updates immediately, be it a game or what, been there and done that, I'm not so super energized that anymore, I have lots of things I can do in the meantime, I'm patient, I believe other such people are this way as well. So there is no need for handholding and babysitting. This type of ISO would completely remove the metro and the new style GUI, so most of the cosmetic updates about Win10 would be useless and unneeded, so you wouldn't have to worry about being "outdated".

As I said in my earlier posts, I wasn't meaning the average consumers, but it feels to me that these kind of advanced gurus have thrown the guns into the corn, and moved to linux, or kinda semi-adapted. What I think, is that it just needs a focused group of people, it's a big task to get to version 1.0 but it's not impossible, and it would have been done faster if a lot of the gurus would give it a thought and would agree to add support to such a project in whatever free time they allot to it. I am biased in way toward the how Win7 looks and behaves, I'm not trying to force anyone to accept it as the correct way. I believe the GUI looks modern enough, XP survived for so long and still is, heck some people who run Win7 even use the old Win98 GUI, so I'm not even that hardcore as those people, I think it looks futuristic enough and does not need to be changed so soon.

What I am trying to say is that there could be a solution, and we could have such a version of Win10, coexisting with the gurus who are used to running multi-boots and multiple PCs, not saying it's going to be the ultimate thing ever.

Now I finally come to the sneaky point, what you see is them removing features on surface, these are infact only hidden, and with just a bit of effort we could bring them back with tweaks, that's why I'm not throwing the gun into the corn yet.

You know, many of the programmer gurus of all kinds of walks of life always love a challenge, and one of those is making a game today for an old stytem to kinda challenge what could you do now, and those that run Windows XP on watches, consoles, and other devices that weren't intended to run them, see that is the will and kind of thinking this project needs, even if you don't agree completely nor you would want to rely on this, isn't it still good as a cultural challenge, like, see what we did with Win10, when everybody thought an era was over, we proved it you could turn that around, that's what I mentioned back with that robot-college mindset, that it all feels like all soul has been sucked out of IT and no fun along the way, with this kinda serious-style emotionless push to the future constantly.


And about linux, I just don't imagine it as a replacement for myself, I would use it concurrently, but I am not able to wrap my head around how some of the things are done and behave, so I just can't completely stop all production and just switch and learn how to be good in that environment completely, I may be able to in future, but not as of now.

The first thing is ofcourse the way things are named there, Like stepping on another planet, some of the things feel like were placeholders by some random programmer 20 years ago and they have stuck. This is what I see with all the college kids, they carry this just ah I hate it naming style with them after, and it's hoardes of these people, and this mindset then comes into the GUI and it's not even advanced, it's a subjective thing of the education system, and not everyone bothers with college, so why should the opensource be influenced by so much what the government's educational system comes up with.

Now if you have your own program, and you have your own names for variables, that's fine, but the paradigm of this and consensus is formed by what I believe are subjective opinions first and foremost, because education is an established government thing ofcourse the ones being educated are not going to challenge it or very unlikely, so I think that big and wide abbreviations get formed, it's all coming from the educational system, they have big influence on how things that will become standard get called, and you know how corporations love this when they coin up these to be similar to hosehold terms or to be easily said out loud, all sacrificing the technicalitiy.

In terms of programmers making up their terminology I'm not saying it's not technical and wrong, but colleges teach their own version they just got out of their butt, and I say there should be some more resistance to it, they don't have any rights to have such big influence, it's stealthy so one can just dismiss this, but this should be identified and unfortunately is not simple, at the same time I'm trying to help the linux communities, beware of hoards of college kids in the coming generations, because they operate like bulldozers with the mindset they have been almost indoctrinated with, they don't like to assimilate with a community, ofcourse im speaking on average, the average consensus, average college kid, the ones that feel so smart of they do all the gimmick chores the professor throws out, and as you can see I have to get up here writing these pieces for an effort to defend, they don't care much about preservation and culture, they think only about advancement with taking no prisoners and shoot first ask questions later.

 

So they're essentially making it for themselfs. Then why are they selling it and wanting my money. One would ask