Medical Marijuana - Compassion, Decriminalization, Human rights...

I was taught a plant"s true healing abilities are tied to the earth so closely that even the geographical place of it's harvest gives a specific culmination of healing resources specific to those in that geographic area, as long as it is harvested in a sacred way.. There is a pathway to unlock this potential that can not be bypassed by western thought and to attempt to bypass this unveiling is void of any results that one could call true healing .. Relief and true healing are quite different .. Pain is also a powerful teacher where compassion tempers it's truth .. The healing value of a living plant is lost if it's sacrifice is unrecognized .. Just some of my thoughts towards this discussion

 

And again with the naturalistic fallicy, Nature is not to be trusted its not there to healp us and many of the compounds found in it can kill us. And as for show you deaths attributed to cannabis if you read the study I cited you would already have your answer.

Evidance based perspective.

Thats not what the reserch shows and i trust the scintific method far more than any testomonial.

No i do care, Peoples health is at stake here and i want them to have the best information regarding all treatments and recreational drugs. Its just that unlike you i dont have the presupposition that canibis is safe and am free to view the evidance with an open mind.

I allready told you, Im not a sheeple i actully care what is true or not and the only way your going to convince me is with evidance and yes i do mean scintific evidance not testamonials.

This is a representaion of your absurd belifs about human health and its as unlikly as turning a wrench above the engine of a car will fix a burst tyre. Real medicane has real risks asscotated with it sucking your thumb or taking a placebo does not (except that by focusing your attention on treatments that do not work you are allowing the illnes to progress unchallenged)

Prove this claim.

Of course chemotherapy is extremely demanding on the patient, Some do die the majority however do not. Its currently the most effective cancer treatment out there and improving all the time

Couple of points
1 There is more than one forms of cancer
2 The actual killing of the cancer cells is done elsewhere
3 The increased risk of cancer in cases where the patient already has terminal cancer isn't important

Prove that in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Its bypassed by Western thought, Eastern thought, Northern thought and Southern thought. Believe it or not this has been relegated to the dustbin of history in all the developed world and yes that includes pretty much all of asia. Its not western medicine its
evidence based medicine
Yeah if you are in china and you become ill, you don't go to a shaman you go to a hospital

V im not saying ban it I support legislation mainly because it will stop people who are recreational users wasting the time of a doctor and making a mockery of the health system. That said a lot of people on both sides are notorious for fudging the actual research people advocating crimination over stating its negative effects and people advocating legalization claim there are none.
A false negative is more dangerous than a false positive.

 

okay, raymondth,

i kept my mouth tightly shut, untill now..
it does not pay to have a liberal point of
view, obviously..

but there is a thing i would like to point
out..

where i live, people can have all the cannabis
they like, it is not legal, but at least it is
tolerated, so they can make their own decision..

the thing i would like to point out to you,
is that the right or wrong of cannabis is in the
eye of the beholder..

if a person feels that he/she benefits by it,
who are we to say them nay, i ask you..

just my 2 centavos..

 

@raymondTH: chillax man! Have a beer or a shag...

So, let's and then have some.

 

I bet brownie sales in colorado must be through the roof!

 

Haha most of the time this kind of laws are allowed just because peoples need to smoke and not because of the serious medical benefits it does

 

@Kaaalz: haha you must be an expert of the subject I guess? Haha

 

If a person feels that a dose of anthrax is good for them then who are we to say otherwise ?
As Yen pointed out the issue is abuse, many drugs out there are good in their proper dosage but can kill you
if you overdose, take sleeping pills for example. There is a huge problem showing up now relating to prescription drug abuse.
The fundamental problem is that you cannot trust the hosts of idiots and ignorant people out there to self dose. Many drugs are
addictive and what may start out as a simple joint can end up costing you your life. Then guess who will get sued and who will
be out on the roads protesting drug related deaths ?!
They should legalize marijuana, but it should only be available in a clinic where you can get your daily dose if you condition warrants it.

 

Many species on this planet have been self medicating for millions of years. Making choices where they graze and what they graze. The earth has provided for them a paradigm called natural law. One of the few species that routinely attempts to depart from that law are humans. The attempt to escape the very real consequences of breaking that natural law is an illusion which exists only in the human mind. Addiction arises from such illusion by continually fostering thoughts which promote the need for temporary escape .. The substance/medicine itself is imprinted by the purity of intention of those along the healing pathway, as it arrives, to be administered to someone .. Make no mistake when the substance/medicine is harvested from the earth it can have all the qualities that promote real healing however such qualities are often vacated where the intentions of those along the healing path falter and become only remedies for the illusion of escape, the escape from knowing one's true self.

Purity of intention, to it's measure, will be from which true healing emerges and where anything of real consequence will be unveiled.

 

I know what Anthrax is that point was in relation to what nodnar said about "where do we draw the line". You could even use water as an example, too high consumption
of water can kill you. Dosage is the issue, even things we think are good for us are most likely dangerous when over used.

@redroad

You can't compare self medicating animals to humans, animals don't use to satisfy a want, they satisfy a need so no over usage.

 

@R29k Medication takes many forms and animals (non-domesticated) certainly are fully capable of finding cures for what may ail them. There are many documented cases of this and if need be I can sight those examples for you but I know you are capable of researching that on your own .. As to animals over usage there are substantial examples of that as well, along with suicide and many other things that would indicate a life is out of balance.

 

that may well be the key word, redroad,
domestication as opposed to alianation..
it is where we go wrong, imho..if my old
cat has got too many hairs in her stomach,
she just eats some grass, and out it goes..
she does that by instinct, nobody told her
that..nobody has to..
by the same token, i have got my doubts
about all these thoughts about [drugs]
if people feel a need to use that stuff,
they are as innocent as my old cat, in my
book. and no, i do not eat grass, and i do
not smoke weed either,,

 

Call me when you have a video of a mouse curing himself of the wasp larva which are eating him from the inside out, That's a video id like to see

 

evolution is the key word when looking at such matters .. For example the antelope generally conceives 2 fetuses and if conditions on the ground permit they are carried full term and if food supplies are scarce the animal aborts one fetus .. Took a couple million years to perfect that

 

Make up your mind what exactly you are saying, are you evolving immunity or self medicating ? They are not the same thing !

 

I think immunity is a temporary state, as those things that may threaten health/balance are also evolving .. I am speaking of self medicating in the broadest of terms to include food and water sources which include the essentials of sustaining life and a strong and healthy immune system is but one result of such self medicating. The local sources of this medicine have the greatest potential to provide health for the lives of those who live there with the exceptions where natural law has been broken and the earth connection is temporarily broken as a result. My understanding of what is medicine and yours may differ.