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Clinical trials Humm how can you say they don't do any ??

It was a clinical trail that gave me back my 20 years In return for partaking in a one month trial of a pre treatment they also pay'd for the standard treatment.

As a result of that I see how much money it costs just to obtain one more tiny bit of info regarding new cures.

Wither or not you can scientifically prove that weed has healing powers, simply the sense of well being that ppl get from using it can alone be enough to help keep ppl healthy as we all know state of mind has a lot to do with good health or the ability to heal

 

Oral tradition has flaws, the accuracy of the info is left to the mercy of the one giving it and people tend to embellish stories and what not as it gets passed down.
I have no doubt that certain herbs etc have healing properties, there are many simple ones that I know. However, some of the claims in this thread revolve around the ridiculous.
If known cancer fighting plants existed they would have long been marketed by the money grubbing drug companies.
Also when I see an argument put forward that has this in it

it makes me laugh. You are putting yourself forward as the authority on the specific subject and everyone else is misinformed. As shocking as it might seem to you, your info is not infallible. And given your oral traditions
I would bet that your info is flawed. What I want to see is real evidence not hearsay this is 2012 not 1512.

 

@R29k Attempting to be little a mans way or a people with a few corrosive words or sentences speaks more about you and your character then anything of consequence being discussed here.. As for the sweeping generalities I stand by what I said .. To march out statements like "Oral tradition has flaws, the accuracy of the info is left to the mercy of the one giving it and people tend to embellish stories and what not as it gets passed down." is fraught with ignorance and can only be seen as divisive in nature. If you need me to explain to you why I can but I won't. If you were standing in front of me we could have that dialogue in fact the discovery of the truth would be better served ..

You attempt to speak for me by saying

So you don't misunderstand me let me say this for myself .. Anything that I have added to this thread is based on what I have lived personally and has been passed down to me by my elders and I was given permission to speak about. As far as me believing "everyone else" is misinformed .. Ahh R29k you play in such a small place some days ..

And finally this exercise in futility concludes with this

Your continued disrespect of others points of view on this forum is tiresome and has no place here IMHO .. Take it some place else

 

@RaymondTH: WoW! You just lied to yourself!

On one hand you say clinical trials and placebo and on the other hand you don't agree with the testimonials. How's that?

 

testimonial In promotion and of advertising, a testimonial or show consists of a person's written or spoken statement extolling the virtue of some product. The term "testimonial" most commonly applies to the sales-pitches attributed to ordinary citizens, whereas the word "endorsement" usually applies to pitches by celebrities. Testimonials can be part of communal marketing.

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A blind or blinded experiment is a scientific experiment where some of the people involved are prevented from knowing certain information that might lead to conscious or subconscious bias on their part, thus invalidating the results.

& China & South Korea & Japan & India & pretty much any developed country on the planet.

Yes there are idiots in Europe and the USA im sad to say

Oh I don't deny that its got the poverty market cornered if you cant afford real medicine I thoroughly recommend it right after an exorcisim

Ill do that right after its efficacy is proven same with daemon exorcism

Then one would have to ask why in our hunter gather era the human lifespan wasn't 150. This is denial of reality trying to warp the facts around your beliefs I do the opposite base my beliefs on the facts

Yeah who cares about eradicating an illness that killed more people than all wars in human history that's not what medicine is about

Its a bulls**t filter if you can prove its efficacy ill believe it if not I and the majority of people on this rock wlll throw it in the same bin as bloodletting and daemon exorcism

Its not a prejudice to demand that medicines efficacy be proved

And again with the false claim that evidence based medicine is western medicine its not its global.

 

Back to the topic now...

Should we not follow the interests, more vigorously and rigorously?

For instance: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20625482

 

Would be nice if you could educate all of us on how accurate your oral traditions can be !
It has nothing to do with belittling, you have provided an argument based on hearsay and NO proper evidence whatsoever. The only assumption I can make
is that you are the authority on the subject and everything you say is fact or you are just padding up your argument. Provide evidence for you claims that's all I'm asking.
You have no proper source how can anyone take you credibly ?

 

Your words “Would be nice if you could educate all of us on how accurate your oral traditions can be !”

There are prerequisites for one to be educated about something, least of which is a mind open enough to learn and a measure of respect for the process .. As to the accuracy of the oral traditions of my Nation there is no point that can be made clear enough to an already cynical mind. The now predictable measure of cynicism and dismissiveness that accompanies most of your posts warrants no in depth response from me. Why do you continue to speak or in this case ask for other people when you have been given no authority to do so ? “educate all of us”



Proper evidence
Proper source
You must have some idea how you want to define those terms , enlighten me so I can be sure to include it in my next post..

Your words "You have no proper source how can anyone take you credibly ?"

As I posted earlier
"Anything that I have added to this thread is based on what I have lived personally and has been passed down to me by my elders and I was given permission to speak about."
If I need more than that to be credible in your opinion than you will have to look elsewhere

 

@R29K: I'd have to say that much of Chinese Traditional medicine was handed down by word of mouth, because documenting and archiving was expensive and not long lasting (i.e. Time, weather, etc. caused the parchment and inks to break down.) The methods of healing were also considered to be sacred, only to be practised by those of Shaman status.

Redroad said: "...and has been passed down to me by my elders and I was given permission to speak about.". That has been the way for literally thousands of years, practised by many cultures. Ways of healing are considered sacred, but moreso, it takes dilligence and wisdom to "get it right" without killing the sick person.

I have to say that the only way for you to obtain "evidence" is to live in and immerse yourself in a culture who uses traditional medicine. Or witness traditional medicine first-hand.

I have a friend who, for a number of years, was very ill with a recurring esophageal infection. Doctors could not "fix" her problem, and antibiotics almost killed Her.
They (Western Medicine) gave Her 3 to 5 years to live. (That was about 10 years ago) She sought out Homeopathic (Herbal) medicine and has been kept alive and well by it.

To me, that's proof enough that Herbal Medicine works.


I've said it before; I'll say it again. Keep an open mind. This world is filled with wonderous things, most of which We do not understand.

:Miki.

 

Kill me now I don't want to live on the same planet as people who think "Homeopathic" medicine aka water works.

 

It seems like you'll have to kill them, as they are not going anywhere and neither are you, not in any hurry...

Humans are all too frequently utterly irrational and need to fill the gaps in their "knowledge"...

So, all kinda stuff is given a go, so to speak, in various corners of the world...

I am not much for irrationality, as you may know from other threads but...

Too strong a word from you evokes bad memories from not long ago...

Stalinism/Fascism is frequently nothing but a quick, unmediated (unthinking) transition from the world of ideas ([political] "philosophy") into the world of everyday relations, so be careful... A little more tolerance wouldn't go amiss in our world... If for no other reason than to keep an open mind... here and there...

And I don't care if it's another "mystifier" or "scientist"...

 

On a positive note and in my opinion a move in the right direction Washington DC has just decriminalised weed
Hopefully this will help influenced other states and country's to follow suit

In the words of "peter Tosh"

Legalise it Don,t Criticise it

I can buy alcohol which is killing 100s of thousands of ppl every year, I buy tabaco which is also killing countless ppl

Yet I cant buy Weed There has never been a recorded death relating directly to weed

Something just isn't right here

 

well, some sense and tolerance seems to be flowing back
to this thread, it was sorely missing for a while..

my own thoughts;

as for oral tradition; it is of all cultures, and not just
limited to medicine, without oral tradition, there would
be no illiad or odyssee, and no-one in the western world
can call homer flawed..

as for the placebo effect, well, marijuana is a drug,
so it does have an effect, and if it makes people feel
better, even if this is merely an illusion, well, then it
still makes them feel better, does not it? so what`s the
harm in that?

and as i said before, people can make money legally
from more harmfull stuff, like alcohol, and nicotine.
marijuana may be a big issue in us legislation now,
but it is relatively harmless by comparision..
and the us have hardly invented the wheel, in that..

what kind of hurt me in this thread was that somehow
tolerance seemed to fly out the window, at times,
and i think tolerance is what makes us tick..

 

Tick or thick?

I bet it's a mis-spell...

 

plead innocent, gorski.. tick is what it is...

 

The issue with placebo only treatment is it can cause serious harm by delaying the use of real treatment, In the case of cancer that's deadly.

 

You like Redroad missed the issue completely. I'm not talking about simple remedies, like ginger for colds etc. The issue I have is with cures for major diseases like
cancer, HIV and many std's etc.
Also the Chinese have writing dating back over 3000 years. You don't even have to bother with the Chinese, the Egyptian pyramids have some of the worlds oldest writing.
And how old are the Dead Sea Scrolls? I have no idea why you came to the conclusion that writing was not long lasting. Where are the cave paintings ?
Also Oral Traditions become mythology since it changes as it is passed down. The mythology may have factual info in it but it also has parables so you really can't take it all literally.
Take the lliad that nodnar mentioned, how many would take that seriously when it mentions Greek Gods in the Trojan War ?
A lot of cultures, when they mention "sacred" they are going along the same lines as religion, the "sacred" means you should not question it.
In many cases the "sacred" is a load of nonsense and in some cases it is valuable data so you need some salt to go with it.
The impression I get in this thread is that there are certain people that want to demonize modern medicine and supplant it with their "sacred herbal medicines". If that's the case then you simply don't have to use the modern medicine, when you get cancer or some other major disease you can make a trip to the local witch doctor and he/she will fix you up. If you think that lemon juice will cure cancer then go right ahead and use it.
I'm still waiting for Redroad to tell me who was living to 150 years old in the past. And Redroad this is not an attack on your belief system, I just have a big issue when people state blatant bs and expect
everyone else to take it as fact!

 

@R29k I Just wanted add this so you have something to give some thought to before you start getting in past what you know to be certain and then maybe we can discuss it ..

So on some of my ancesstors living to be !50 years old just 4-5 hundred years ago is B.S. and you know this how?

The only thing that is blatant is your consistent and continued disrespect for others.. Your continued comments on oral tradition and things that you have never experienced personally gives me pause enough that I would not give credence to anything you have to say. Like I said take it someplace else.

 

Brilliant rebuttal , provide no evidence and then turn it around and ask me to provide evidence.
Then detract from the whole conversation, while conveniently not providing any proper info, and state how people disrespect you and their arguments are not valid, as if yours are valid!
Since you are the foremost authority on Oral Traditions and alternative healing then no one can have a discussion with you, case closed !