News/Discussions On Windows Upcoming Products: W8.1Update-x;W365;WThreshold;Win9

Discussion in 'Windows 8' started by FaiKee, Jun 8, 2014.

  1. win9fanatic

    win9fanatic MDL Junior Member

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    I don't know if I can agree misalignment in the the desktop can be explained by camera angle. But I do agree about the new icons and general flatterness (no taskbar line, lines separating categories in start menu are not complete across). It looks like the next UI step in my opinion.
     
  2. MrAnalysis

    MrAnalysis MDL Senior Member

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    Does make you wonder if Ballmer actually allowed those leaks to drum up hype doesn't it :p
     
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  3. Hadron-Curious

    Hadron-Curious MDL Guru

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    That I cannot personally say. Supporting the leaks which end up in giving people the right to mod them is beyond me if we are to say he's intentionally allowed the leaks in the past.
     
  4. nexus76

    nexus76 MDL Addicted

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    If microsoft was proud of it they already had 'accidentially' leaked it or so,
    but as some others stated here it appears it's still an unfinished OS and not worth a leak.
    Releasing it early means getting feedback earlier, that's not the new microsoft way.
     
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  5. Super User

    Super User MDL Addicted

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    If it is possible to prevent leaks now, it was possible to prevent leaks before. Why they didn't? Well, because leaks help to build up interest in products. Also, everybody knows Microsoft is monitoring these forums and here they get best feedback, because lots of members are tech enthusiast who understands how OS works, what works wrong and how to fix it. Remember black screen issue on boot after installing leaked Win 8.1 Update 1? This bug was reported here first and days after we've got patch. Because we're the best test team in the world. :biggrin: Why were is no leak now? Probably OS is unfinished yet. When it will be good enough for testing, WZor, guys from China or Poland will get a permission to leak it. I guarantee it.
     
  6. Hadron-Curious

    Hadron-Curious MDL Guru

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    Should we subscribe to that statement? Perhaps! But, I think WZor and the other people you are referring to are too afraid of giving out leaks for security reasons not because the Windows 9 is still in a developing stage.
     
  7. woodyleonhard

    woodyleonhard MDL Novice

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    Icons in the Tech Preview go up to 768 x 768 pixels? :druff:

    Winfuture.de /news,83720.html
     
  8. Hadron-Curious

    Hadron-Curious MDL Guru

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    Wow! It is like those are meant for ultra-high resolution screens. I read in your link that they would be scalable in a 8k screen. That is unbelieve! We aren't going to see any personal computer coming with that yet. At least, that is over 100% higher than what we already have in the market.
     
  9. Super User

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    I tend to believe security is so tight because:

    1. There are still lots of work to be done with OS and a early leak could negatively impact sales of finished product. We must remember that this time we'll be able to give direct feedback to Microsoft and they'll probably use it to understand what features to include and how finished product should look like. Let’s say OS leaks now, everybody start to think this is how the finished OS will look like. If they don’t like it, they don’t buy it. Microsoft wants to prevent that and make preview as close to final product as possible.

    2. This time, Microsoft really really want to develop a strong activation system. If OS leaks now, activation system will be cracked till official release. Cracked activation system = slower adaptation of new OS = smaller profit.

    Remember those gigantic touch screens MS is trying to push for enterprises? Exactly! :D
     
  10. davehc

    davehc MDL Novice

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    " There are still lots of work to be done with OS and a early leak could negatively impact sales of finished product. We must remember that this time we'll be able to give direct feedback to Microsoft and they'll probably use it to understand what features to include and how finished product should look like. "

    You could well be right, but
    as always, the OS is being tested "on the run", by selected individuals and organisations around the globe. But, not to be too quick to blame MS, particularly remembering the pre release of Windows 8 and its feedback, with the enormous amount of different systems and third party applications, MS cannot cover all bases. The pre release, hopefully, is intended to snare some of those outside problems.
    Serious problems, if found, I would hope will be dealt with, but, essentially, whether it is regarded as a smug attitude or not, I don't believe that MS will, at this stage, be making any minor, or cosmetic changes, based on complaints they may read in the media (or forums)
     
  11. bchat

    bchat MDL Smart Azz

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    Think of the OS as a woman, nobody wants to see her with her hair in curlers and no makeup, right now this the stage the OS is in.
    Pretty soon the curlers will come out, the make up will go on, and we'll have one hot looking OS to play with.
    Yep, that's the way I see it...
     
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  12. hypermaxxx

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    Have you seen the little piggies
    Crawling in the dirt
    And for all the little piggies
    Life is getting better
    Always having another OS to play around in.
     
  13. Yen

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    Your post is funny. Nobody ever has got a permission to leak. :biggrin:
    You should not forget that to leak the OS is a criminal offence and can be punished and had been already!!!
    There had been always a few who took the risk to leak info or even the entire ISO. It has also nothing to do with Ballmer or M$. Winfuture has now different sources, but at windows8 it was mainly 'a French blogger'.... winfuture had copied and pasted his screen shots.


    So you prefer appearance, no inner values? :D
    I wonder if women need back a start menu or even a modern user interface (woman=OS). :laie:j/k
     
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  14. bchat

    bchat MDL Smart Azz

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    1- I like big bouncing boobies, there I said it, it felt good...:clap:

    2- To start a woman all you need is $$s or a credit card...:hug2:
     
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  15. d1glow

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    Were comparing technology to women now? i bet you guys cant wait till MS builds you a female robot.... with a startmenu:zwinker:
     
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  16. mimart7

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    As long as Win 9 doesn't need lipo,boob implants, and a nose job, I'll be happy.
     
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  17. Hadron-Curious

    Hadron-Curious MDL Guru

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    That is it! Do they use them as personal computers? I think most of those huge touchscreens come with their preinstalled graphic user interfaces not regular operating systems.
     
  18. Super User

    Super User MDL Addicted

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    With due all respect Yen, sometimes leaks occurs because companies need it. I'm not saying that behind every leak stands MS or any other company. Of course, sometimes leaks find their way on the internet without any approval, but other times same these companies are the ones who leak things because they need to build up the hype. Apple does it, Microsoft does it too. In this case, they just don't want leak now, but then OS will be good enough for the enthusiats like we are, it will leak.
     
  19. murphy78

    murphy78 MDL DISM Enthusiast

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    It depends how much effort they put into identifying the potential leaker.

    In win8.0 I think they just used a simple identifier.
    That's newbie stuff. All you do is remove that and re-iso it.

    If they compile specific executables with obfuscated and encrypted identifiers, well... then it becomes a lot more complicated.
    Then it's about how much effort you want to spend to get it ready to leak. Sure, you could potentially patch them to change the identification with enough work.
    But, if they put that much work into identifying the product, who's to say they hadn't put more than one identifying tag in there somewhere?

    You gotta remember that there's real world consequences for leaking this stuff, and if someone isn't absolutely sure they won't be identified, they're most likely not going to leak.
    A lot of people thought that the WZT group is a bunch of leakers, but they're not. They're not the ones who would get in trouble if the thing leaked. The people
    who would get in trouble are their source.

    The notion that MS simply allows leaks is up to interpretation. Obviously if they are giving copies to people to test, they know that it can be leaked.
    If they are simply working on something internally and maybe sharing builds with OEMs, well then it's kinda iffy. At that point, they wouldn't exactly be shocked, but
    it helps neither party to leak them since they are typically unfinished builds that are just hardware/software tests for the most part.

    Now, something like the Activation SDK that Kibkalo leaked from his corpnet access was obviously not shared with outside sources and was not expected to leak.

    The notion that MS somehow endorses the leaks is ridiculous. They don't gain anything by these shoddy builds being shared. If they had a product worthy of scrutiny, they'd
    release it as a Evaluation or something along those lines. I wouldn't consider this Technical Preview anywhere near being along those same lines because it's just not much more
    than win8.1 with a start menu and a notification area. You could effectively do the same thing with a couple simple mods. Of course we can only judge what we know from the screen shots.
    It doesn't seem that the people with the preview are brave enough to share about any test results or anything else under the hood. So, we can only judge by superficial things like screens.