I don't expect to see Windows 10 anywhere near sensitive personal data like patient data in hospitals. The resulting lawsuits would cripple our judicial system.
a freind of mine works as a PC consultant for Fraunhofer Institute in Erlagen/Germany. He reported that they will not go beyond W7 due to security matters. W8/8.1 was totally canceled and W10 is looked at with very critical eyes. This institute is highly secured due to many patents they developed including MP3 for example and they will not risk a leak with Windoze
So the conclusion is that just like Windows 8, Windows 10 has FAILED! This would have serious consequences for the PC (Desktop - Laptop). And just like the the media has been forecasting, this could well be the end of the PC era. The PC survived the Windows 8 failure but it won't be able to survive this failure. And there is no viable alternative to Windows which could support the PC market. So mobile devices would have full dominance.
I truly hope people turn away from Windows 10, but sadly I got news today from my wife that shocked me. She's a school teacher and her school has been using WindowsXP since its release. Even her computer in her office here at home has WindowsXP installed, and she has always refused my offer to upgrade it to Windows 7 or Windows 8. Basically for fear of incompatibility with the schools system. Today she comes home and tells me, overnight some "IT people" came in and switched the entire school over to Windows 10. Furthermore, the entire school is being switched over to "the cloud" though she, nor I knows exactly what that means, but from now on, all teachers have to sign up to this cloud thing and Windows 10 will be the new system for the school. Worse still, its not just her school, she asked friends who moved from her school to other schools over the years, that she stayed in contact with, and they have been switched or will be switched to Windows 10. All of these schools have been using WindowsXP until now as well. She also said that all teachers where told to upgrade their home devices to Windows 10 as the school has new and exciting things planned for the future - whatever that means ...
@ausernamenoonehas: Perhaps you should let her peruse this thread and see what's going on. She doesn't have to be a member of MDL; the entire thread is now visible to the public. I'm not sure that the last part of your statement is such a good idea. I suggest you upgrade your home machine to Windows 7 and leave it there. If She's forced to upgrade her home computer to Windows 10, avoid the Home edition. It's the worst privacy offender. :MJ
That is scary. [tinfoilhatarea] I think that it is a conspiracy to database and track the children, and possibly teachers. http://eagnews.org/school-fingerprints-elementary-students-for-lunch-program/ [/tinfoilhatarea]
Maybe so. Reminds me of the last season of "Person of Interest", if you are familiar the CBS TV show in the US.
We are in the same situation working in a research and develop lab, company researches for phyto medicine. Our dept. alone has issued several patents. long-term yes....but first things become much worse. Actually w10 should have become forbidden. When expecting that the (my) government has also to protect the citizens from foreign spy attacks. But instead of they had to switch off their own network to clean it from malware. They mostly consist of dilettantes, nobody can expect an expertise of w10....so they do nothing. Companies will use LTSB. M$'es monopoly is still strong enough companies need to stay compatible to their bought soft they rather stick to windows than to move. A family physician who has 1-3 PCs will upgrade to w10..nagged by their adware. Hospitals will do the same...
For what I have understood about the privacy terms, they do not apply only to Windows 10, but to every OS in the world (yes, including Linux and Mac OS) IF you use the Microsoft services. For example, you could be using linux, but from the moment you use Outlook or Bing, that EULA would apply. Now, Windows 10 CAN be used without a Microsoft Account, but is not the first choice (although is not difficult to do it) and a great deal of functionality is lost. I've tried and it was like using Windows 7 with a nice and updated UI, nothing more.
It seems that most of the people who don't know or care about privacy might accept Windows 10. Also the media is giving positive coverage to Win 10 and supporting this OS. If that's the case we would have to learn to remain with Win 10 making all possible efforts to protect our privacy. In other case if Windows 10 fails to be a success and many countries ban the OS and people refuse to upgrade to Win 10 and keep on using Win 7 or 8, Microsoft might be forced to release a Windows 10 SE (Second Edition). What you say?
I guess no government would dare to forbid the use of w10...not to mention if they'd be able to at all....to forbid windows would mean to attack a 'friend'. It would become a political dispute. With w 8.x people had the alternative to deny it, to wait. W7 was good enough and compatible enough....now time moved on with w10 we have the second crap, but the gap to w7 has become bigger....M$ adds telemetry to w7 as well and the support will end....it all will end the same way, monopoly will win over reason.... w10 second edition is ltsb already.
@Yen: IMHO, your statement about Windows 7 being good enough might also apply to Windows 10. The reason that so many people scarfed up Windows 10 was because it was given away for free. If there was a cost attached to it, the public would have either ignored it or pirated it. Both Microsoft and the Government spying agencies knew this. What they failed to take into account was that the security communities would be up in arms, and that people would finally believe them, instead of taking a cavalier attitude towards security and privacy. If you know what buttons to push, the masses are easily manipulated. Arrogance, avarice and ignorance are the tools of the government agencies and corporations, designed to maximize their agenda. For some people, getting things "for free" is an obcessive-compulsion. I was victim of this exact same compulsion; Recently, I dumped almost 500 GB of source code that I had downloaded over the years, simply because it was free. So, I am not placing myself above any person on this planet; I have been guilty of, and have fallen victim to the same form of compulsion. But -NOT- where Windows 10 is concerned. In all seriousness, I say to you: Be Careful! There are people with agendas all around you. And they are not necessarily benevolent. :MJ
Rohan Malhotra 7:00 pm on Jul 30, 2015 The Chinese banned Windows 8. What will they make of Windows 10? The Chinese government in 2014 put out an edict forbidding the installation of Windows 8 on government machines. Interpreted as both a reaction to Microsoft’s announcement that it will no longer be supporting Windows XP, and increasingly, as a sign of the Chinese government’s intentions to reduce its reliance on imported technology, this is an issue that still today hasn’t been resolved. How will this move affect institutional support for Windows10? Can Microsoft afford to be abandoned by one of the biggest markets for enterprise software on the planet? My view is that Windows 10 will likely see gradual uptake in the consumer/commercial desktop market as large swathes of Windows 7 and 8users (who make up close to 70 percent of the market) will be able to upgrade for free. Seeing as [PC games continue to be popular in China] and Windows installations are largely ubiquitous in businesses across different industries, I think that Windows will continue to be relevant in China in the years to come. But does this mean there’s a solid future for Windows across different levels of industry and society? It is likely the government will, in time, migrate it’s systems over to home-grown alternative operating systems. As for the rest of society, without being necessarily forced to make the shift, I think the case for Windows is largely the same as everywhere else. Desktops are on the decline on a global scale, and this crucial play for Microsoft will indicate the future success of the company and its struggle to continue to be relevant in the shifting landscape of modern computing. Do you see an extended future for Microsoft’s products in China? Can you imagine China running independently from the global hardware/software standards that the rest of the world depends on? _____________________ IMO, China will completely ban Windows 10 throughout their government agencies, just as they did with 8. It is very likely government control may further go on to reject Windows 10 within their business sector... We'll just have to wait and see, but it should happen soon...
I'm confused. First, you wrote that the media is giving positive coverage to Windows 10, which, just for the record is false. There have been numerous articles that have been extremely critical of Windows 10, some of which I have linked to in this thread. Secondly, you wrote: "If that's the case...". So now you're questioning your first statement. Third, you stated that "we would have to learn to remain with Win 10". So let's run down what you wrote: You first said the press is giving it positive reviews, then you said maybe that's not true, then you said that because the press is giving it positive reviews, that we just have to swallow it up and accept it. I don't know who "we" refers to. Maybe "we" refers to you? The idea of Microsoft backtracking on Windows 10 was already brought up earlier in this thread, a few pages back.
I think Yen "hit the nail on the head" when He said that Windows 10 Enterprise was the Windows 10 SE. Perhaps MS is following Googles' "Android Paradigm" where users do not care about privacy issues where mobile devices are concerned. And carrying a mobile device is just like being "tagged"; law enforcement people (and some unscrupulous people) can figure out -exactly- where you are and what you're doing. In the case of emergency services, this can work in your favor. If you are incapacitated, They can locate you and get help to you. But these systems, just like any computer system, can be abused, and the consequences can be devastating. If the Chinese developed their own OS, I would not be surprised at all. IMHO, language support was added as an afterthought, because English was not accepted as the primary language of the world. I think that we (Western culture) hoped for this, but this is an unrealistic hope. In reality, some of the greatest scientific finds are not documented in English. A scientist must either learn the language or enlist the services of a translator. Many years ago, I remember discussions about a universal language called "Esperanto" which never took hold. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto I believe that cultural pride would prevent this from happening. We are all proud of our languages and customs. And We invite others to learn them and experience them. So, with the exception of specific instances where a culture would want to segregate its' doings from the rest of the world, I'm not too sure that something like that would ever happen. :MJ
@MysTikAL3...The Russians were first in investigating https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://izvestia.ru/news/589733 Russia and China two stereotype enemies of the US, lol, not without reason, one who says stop to the US tampering is considered as potential enemy...lol It's just in the news Switzerland is investigating the matter w10 and privacy as well.
I had been interrupted completing my post. I just wanted to add that the most reasonable behavior of a particular government, also in regard of the fact that the data which are collected are encrypted and NOBODY actually can build a valid opinion about the matter is to task the ISPs to block the encrypted data via their DNS..so to say to apply a working host file by themselves. Then it would be M$'es turn... W10 enthusiasts still would be able to enjoy their OS and people like us would notice that our data never reach one of them domains which are whitelisted to enforce M$es interests.
I was just talking about two scenarios. 1- If Windows 10 succeeds and becomes mainstream because the majority of the people don't know and don't care about privacy, mostly positive media coverage, (I think almost everyone would agree that most of the articles about Windows 10 on the web are very positive about the OS, while a few are very critical about it.) as well as the support of the MS monopoly position, then we would have no option but to learn to live with Windows 10. And scenario 2 is if Windows 10 fails, if some countries ban it, or most people remain with Windows 7 and do not migrate to Windows 10, then may be MS is forced to release a Win 10 SE. I don't know why this has confused you.