[PLEASE READ] Microsoft and Privacy

Discussion in 'Serious Discussion' started by Michaela Joy, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. Michaela Joy

    Michaela Joy MDL Crazy Lady

    Jul 26, 2012
    4,068
    4,649
    150
    @GrandGamer: Thanks for the link. I fixed it up and reposted it.

    https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/459263

    We have a similar thread here. It was posted by Skaendo, but it's a collection of bits of information from around MDL.

    http://forums.mydigitallife.net/thr...and-Windows-10-Related-Updates-from-Windows-7

    I have posted your link (with appropriate credit given) in the Windows 7 sub-forum.

    You can see my post here. http://forums.mydigitallife.net/thr...dows-7/page5?p=1136805&viewfull=1#post1136805
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  2. GrandGamer

    GrandGamer MDL Novice

    Sep 19, 2014
    21
    5
    0
    Thank you. I would have posted it as a link myself but I don't have the required number of posts on MDL to post links and I don't want to spam just to get more posts. I am also on mobile broadband atm so I don't visit so frequently either.
     
  3. ausernamenoonehas

    ausernamenoonehas MDL Member

    Aug 2, 2015
    239
    39
    10
    Nucleus I agree with you, where's the specifics and proof. But it doesn't take much intelligence to consider you never throw a saddle on a wild horse and jump on. You must slowly introduce the wild horse to the idea bit by bit over time. If you don't, the consequences can be fatal.

    Its a tried and trusted method by many governments & corporations the world over. You always introduce policies/ideas slowly over time to minimise the backlash. Today I agree, Microsoft may not be scanning peoples drives for pirated content - the proof, or lack thereof suggests so.

    But you'd be ignorant to think 1. Its not possible, and 2. completely plausible once people get use to it and accept the idea over a period of time. Today's EULA or whatever long termed contract these corporations attach to their "services" will be the same as tomorrow's. Microsoft latest terms and agreements are proof to that.

    Whilst I agree that Microsoft are probably not scanning people systems for pirated content today, I will not be foolish enough to think that it is something that has not been seriously considered for the future. Remember, there are some very powerful people, both corporations and governments seriously invested in stopping piracy in all its shapes and forms.

    Whilst its very easy to say where's the proof, and sit back confident there will be no proof forthcoming, a little foresight beyond the now would be a wiser position to take.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  4. Nucleus

    Nucleus MDL Guru

    Aug 4, 2009
    2,868
    2,950
    90
    #564 Nucleus, Sep 3, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Apr 20, 2017
    No. As Windows 10 is brand new I'm focusing on the here and now. pirithous clearly stated scans your hard drive for pirated content as if it were known fact. Yes I agree a lot could/may happen in the future which applies equally to everything in life - if and when it should ever become known that Windows does start scanning hard drives for pirated content - I'll deal with it then.

    Wildly inaccurate supposition as posted by pirithous is scare mongering and not needed. Voicing untruths to re-enforce your own beliefs is a symptom of paranoia.

    As I've previously said, we are capable of making our own decisions, if and when some of the wildly inaccurate scare mongering being posted does come true then I'll re-evaluate my using Win 10.

    Mind:
    Code:
    http://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/paranoia/
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  5. endbase

    endbase MDL Guru

    Aug 12, 2012
    4,694
    1,717
    150
    No need for name calling indeed Just stick to your opinion and respect the opinion of others !!

    Personaly I don't like the EULA I must agree on to use windows 10 !

    But they leave you no choice ! Yes people will say you can switch to Linux but I have used it for years as server software but never as main system I like to play my games smoothly :)
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  6. Tito

    Tito Super Mod / Adviser
    Staff Member

    Nov 30, 2009
    18,802
    18,982
    340
    @All

    Please be respectful with others & stop name-calling. Try to make it a healthy discussion thread; not a battleground of flame wars!

    :rolleyes:
     
  7. patrixon78

    patrixon78 MDL Novice

    Oct 29, 2012
    3
    0
    0
    Never had any problem with playing games on Linux. But like you said, you never had Linux as your desktop so I don't blame you for lacking that knowledge. Maybe you should try Linux gaming one day.
     
  8. endbase

    endbase MDL Guru

    Aug 12, 2012
    4,694
    1,717
    150
    Lol so you think I have never tried gaming on an Linux desktop Sure I have tried but it was before there where official drivers for my video cards. Now a day they release good drivers for gaming !

    I wan't to make point here and that is that you can't be the judge about how much knowledge I have about Linux so I feel sorrow for you using words as lack of knowledge. In my opinion that is a wrong way of reacting on other people posts.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  9. ausernamenoonehas

    ausernamenoonehas MDL Member

    Aug 2, 2015
    239
    39
    10
    I hope the name calling warning wasn't pointed at me? :eek:

    I meant no ill feeling nor disrespect towards Nucleus at all. I may have used words like ignorant/intelligence but in no way meant he or anyone as a person is either ignorant or unintelligent.

    Though I could argue using and defending Windows 10 is proof of both :p
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  10. Yen

    Yen Admin
    Staff Member

    May 6, 2007
    13,101
    14,047
    340
    #570 Yen, Sep 3, 2015
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2015

    Exactly the bold is NOT right. It's a matter of importance.

    You have the choice, you are a free person!
    Use w10 and play your games on it and live with UNKNOWN privacy related issues or stop to use w10.
    The motivation to use alternatives depends on you. Play console PS4, use w7 as long as you can, go online while playing online only, use Linux as dual boot for other online stuff.

    You have many choices, don’t say there are no. :)

    Concerning M$ scans for pirated software.
    They do not scan for PIRATED software. They can collect info about all software installed.

    As the Kibkalo case has shown (has used their services) they violate the end consumer's privacy to get evidences to successfully sue the end consumer. A crime to get evidence to successfully sue another crime. This is M$.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  11. Nucleus

    Nucleus MDL Guru

    Aug 4, 2009
    2,868
    2,950
    90
    No it wasn't friend. There was a particularly vicious post by pirithous (now deleted by mods) where he/she launched a scathing assault at me - stupid, a moron, unintelligent, unable to read, towing the line for MS, etc. So I questioned why like another member a couple of days ago, they had to launch into name calling when someone expressed a different opinion. Anyway those posts have deleted by mod now. It was nothing to do with your post - no worries. ;)
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  12. endbase

    endbase MDL Guru

    Aug 12, 2012
    4,694
    1,717
    150
    I know that I have choices to make and I can So in that case I'm free !! But What I tried to say is That Linux is not an option for me on my main system. to many programs I have bought rely on windows sadly enough :( I have been from Linux to windows and back again and so on. I just gave my own opinion that's all
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  13. Yen

    Yen Admin
    Staff Member

    May 6, 2007
    13,101
    14,047
    340
    I am dual booting @home and use a Linux based server. And I use Linux there where I can. Otherwise I use windows 7 (offline). For work I have to use windows basically all the time all scientific apps are on windows.
    Nothing different here.

    But my motivation never to use w10 @home is strong enough. I cannot! It is totally against my ideology and my idea of democracy.


    Another example. :)

    When MDL is providing copyrighted material from M$, let's say a copy of an w7 ISO, then we provide property of M$ against their agreement.

    Their rights and their measures: They point on the DMCA and ask for takedown. If we do not reply they set a deadline. After the deadline is over they let null route the server!!! That is a fact.

    My rights: When M$ makes a copy from my private data/collect them...they cannot steal, they copy/gather...then they actually have got what belongs to me.
    Can I point on a right like DMCA? NO I cannot. Can I set a deadline for a takedown? NO. Can I let null route one of their spy server? NO!

    Instead of I agree by agreeing with the EULA that the data collected belong to M$ NOW so they can sell them without to inform you!
    That is SICK!

    Would M$ ever agree with MDL saying OK the w7 ISO is yours now we cannot take it down?

    People need really think about what they do by agreeing with their EULA!!!
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  14. Nucleus

    Nucleus MDL Guru

    Aug 4, 2009
    2,868
    2,950
    90
    But a lot of us probably have and decided to accept it and use Win 10. Why do the anti Win 10/anti MS brigade have such trouble accepting this? We are all capable of making our own decisions without the anti brigade repeatedly ramming their opinions down our throats, telling us why we're wrong, why what we think isn't valid, and generally telling us why they are correct!

    It's all and only about freedom of choice and we can all make our own decision.

    It's also clear that some of the anti Win 10/anti MS brigade cut up very rough when someone dares to post different thoughts to theirs. For that reason I'm outta this crap. Michalea Joy and pithorious have already shown how they get very personal and launch into name calling simply because someone dares to disagree with their thoughts! Enough of this debate for me, it's too touchy a subject for some.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  15. nexus76

    nexus76 MDL Addicted

    Jan 25, 2009
    788
    300
    30
    #575 nexus76, Sep 3, 2015
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2015
    the point is that approximately no one is reading an EULA and this contract can be changed anytime later, ad libitum.
    that's why I'm back on windows 7, where microsoft even tried to push us the telemetry stuff.
    legislative is 180° different in europe and USA, here we have a presumption of innocence and there you have to prove your not guilty, as a potential suspect or criminal.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  16. PaulDesmond

    PaulDesmond MDL Magnet

    Aug 6, 2009
    6,977
    7,149
    240
    #576 PaulDesmond, Sep 3, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Apr 20, 2017
    some might have no glasses on hand so here comes Sir O for you

     
  17. Michaela Joy

    Michaela Joy MDL Crazy Lady

    Jul 26, 2012
    4,068
    4,649
    150
    @Nucleus: So then, why are you in this thread trying to convince people that Your "choice" is the right choice for them?

    Personally, I see no sense in that. And I don't particularly appreciate being accused of saying things that I never said. Which, on Two separate occasions, You have done. You even came into this thread, trying to start a flame war.

    What is your point? And Why are you in here, trying to instigate trouble?

    I asked PaulDesmond to stop posting joke posts in here. Twice. And He persisted. And I reminded Him of what He did when others did it in His X-files thread. Plain and simple.

    I am sick and tired of having to repeat myself to You, and people like You. You insulted Me. And now, you're posting here that I insulted You?

    And then You expect people to take You seriously?
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  18. Michaela Joy

    Michaela Joy MDL Crazy Lady

    Jul 26, 2012
    4,068
    4,649
    150
    #578 Michaela Joy, Sep 3, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Apr 20, 2017
    (OP)
    @paul: So now, You have pointed out the nature of the problem. If You want to use the product, These terms are what You must accept.

    As has been said by Myself and many others, both in this thread and on other sites (The EFF for one thing)

    In the US, this is tantamount to creating Law without Legislation.

    And that's against US law.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  19. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

    Jul 29, 2009
    7,202
    2,269
    240
    I pointed in quite some post's to that kind of members who didn't have fairness in mind, just try to find anything about what they could complain about. And that goes as far as to te personal insulting others. Fairness and objectivity is somethin unknown to such people! And for sure, easy to do that on the Cyberspace because here they 're just some non-existing figures, whith no face, no character and no soul, I would say!

    From own experiences, I understand your frustration very well! I simply would suggest: forget those people after done a strong statement!
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  20. Michaela Joy

    Michaela Joy MDL Crazy Lady

    Jul 26, 2012
    4,068
    4,649
    150
    @Pisthai: Thank you for vindicating me and for Your words of wisdom. :hug2:
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...