[PLEASE READ] Microsoft and Privacy

Yen you are so wrong in so so many of your posts. Yet again right on cue - you have done it again. Are you a qualified psycho analyst?

You make umpteen posts telling members why they are wrong, why what they have said is wrong, why they should look at this fact or that fact, why something they have posted is invalid, why they should ask themselves this or that question. We are mature adults and capable of making our own decisions without your persistent psycho analysis of what we have posted. You post that it is their opinion while running rampant with your opinion. Of course as an admin have the ban button at your disposal.

This while privacy/spying thing has gotten way out of hand with the anti brigade getting so upset at anything that dares to contradict what they believe. If I am to be banned for flatly refuting your persistent and amateurish psycho analysis of members posts then plz let ancestor decide upon my banning - not you. Thank you.

 

@Yen, I agree with you that we are spied on totally on all our activities, moneywise, healthwise, behaviourwise, simply everything but, NOW COMES THE BUT: Microsoft is, if ever only a small part of that entire game and using linix or other soft makes no difference. I rather go shopping with cash than pay something on the internet using PayPal. My wallets are filled with money which THEY cannot control, I even write letters by hand and send them with the good old post or simply talk to my friend face to face not using a social media like facebook or twitter. My cellular is mostly off-line
I'm really tired about that spy thing. You cannot change it, I cannot change it and MDL with all such theatrical individuals also will not do it

 

Thank you!

For a while there I thought the detractors had won a small victory getting this important topic closed down, thankfully wisdom prevailed

This is an important point, as I too believe that the future will show Microsoft's true intentions. A wise man once said, never mind what people say, observe what people do, it is by their actions you shall know their true intentions.

This leads me to be observant of what Microsoft does, not what it says in its EULA and attached service agreements. This is extremely important to keep note of, because the wording is oft intent of what their later actions will show.

Whilst many may say Microsoft are not spying/mining/keeping tabs on pirated software and so on, of which this may indeed be the case as of right now, what about tomorrow, or next year, or whenever Microsoft feel that phase two will have minimal backlash?

Its extremely important imho that there be a place to discuss ONGOING revelations as more information comes to light. Not only that, but a place to inform people what is indeed already taking place, and what may take place in the future.

Personally I think Windows 10 as it stands today is only a shadow of what's to come in regards to obtaining people's personal information. The future will be interesting indeed ...

 

i appreciate that this thread has the attention of the mods. BUT

BUT i have seen some trolling here. a lot, in fact.
from people who could know better, after umpteen posts.
i have thanked nucleus for his promise to keep out this thread.
vain hope.
i do not belong to the anti-w10 brigade. i do belong to the anti-spying brigade, however.
and i wonder if people shrieking that they want `facts` are in the pay of m$.
closing this thread was a jolly good idea, imo, if only to eliminate all the trolling about eula`s
and all the shrieking demanding for `facts`. there are no known facts. yet. they will materialise
in m$`good time, of course. since i do not happen to trust m$ on their blue eyes or screens, i think
this thread served a purpose to warn members for waiting until we see the `facts`materialise.
but i wash my hands of personal comments from from the pro-w10 brigade. windows is compromised,
imo, by m$`own activities, regardless of what shrieking members say. so looking around for some open-source
os system before it is too late, is only wise. and as such i hope it served its purpose.
but, ancestor, yen, you`ll get no thanks from me for reopening it. i hate to see disrespect for members.
and i think we`ll see much more of the same here. more is the pity...

 

I think this thread has lost the idea for which was created.

 

give up hope, ohno.. not me..
but at times it is an uphill struggle, you know.
and the world is not really watching. and yes,
you`re right. people can still discuss such things in
a civilized fashion.and they do, for mb 80%.. it is
just sad that here we mostly have the other 20% around,
usually.. if you scroll down to thread information, i am sure
you`ll see what i mean.

 

Exactly...

Microsoft will not do or show it's full intentions with Windows 10, until it has snagged 100,000's of millions consumers and removed those same users of their earlier 7 and 8.1 Windows editions.
The earlier Windows editions did not give Microsoft the control, the power, and the $$$$$$$$$$$ that they desperately want and relentlessly fight for today with Windows 10.
Nothing 'controversial' or 'damning' will come out against Windows 10 (that is concrete evidence) during their Windows 10 free OS push for a year...not if Microsoft Corporation can stop it.
Does anyone think otherwise? It's obvious....
M$ is not stupid, nor are they 'uninterested' in your private data as so many trolls have touted across these threads and the web...
This discussion will be very interesting and very different indeed, after Microsoft's monstrous 10 sales push has long passed....

The true colors and the truth of their intent does come out, eventually...
A simple case in point...for many years now the US media, politicians, and the so called 'experts' have touted that it was all nothing but from conspiracy theory nutjobs that rightly claimed numerous federal crimes had been committed, with outright and deliberate deception, and that lies to the people and Congress were rampant from the Hillary camp throughout the past 6+ years...
Well, it has taken many years to uncover, but the crimes themselves are very clear now.
Investigations into the exact 'depth' and 'breadth' of those crimes are now ongoing...
FBI investigation of Hillary’s emails is ‘criminal probe’ August 5, 2015
Hillary Clinton Should be Terrified That Jim Comey Is Investigating Her Email Crimes Aug. 14, 2015

Look at how many years passed before concrete evidence of the Microsoft/NSA partnership surfaced;
Microsoft openly offered cloud data to the NSA

Look at what a different light has been shed on Windows 10 in just over the past few weeks...
Who knows where will it be in 12-18 mos.?.....



More...
Windows 10 is FORCING ITSELF onto domain happy Windows 7 PCs

 

It's already headed in that direction: Ubuntu. Linux's sweet spot is its license and the licenses which most software titles that run on Linux use (GPL and similar). Sure, there is proprietary Linux software out there but this is where freedom of choice comes in. For example, there are proprietary security suites available for Linux servers that most people haven't even heard of. These are software titles that will lock a Linux server down beyond what you can perform with the out-of-the-box configuration defaults and tools. That's not to say that some distributions don't offer great out-of-the-box security systems like AppArmor or SELinux. There are other security suites that are open source choices. It's all up the I.T. administrator, which boils down to her technical skill level, years of experience in the field, and the most cost-effective choice for any given small business or enterprise environment. Even though Windows does indeed have free software available for the platform (not as in free beer), the software titles are more often than not closed source because of the development culture and market segment.

In the Linux sector, you have large groups of users in different sectors. Those that don't mind the built-in spy-by-default "feature" of Ubuntu will stay with Ubuntu. Those that find another distro aligned with their politics and needs will stay with that distro. Freedom of choice is where it's at. The problem with Windows 10 and Windows in general is that since the source code isn't open, you have to "just trust Microsoft" that what they're doing is what's in the user's best interest. Since, as I have repeatedly written, Windows has progressively gotten more intrusive and spied more with every successive version, many people are starting to question Microsoft's motives. A vague EULA doesn't help the situation either, and the amount of immunity they've attempted to legally grant themselves is not only appalling but currently backfiring on them. That's why they modified the EULA just recently. I suspect another change is coming again, and maybe even another after that. Microsoft is not known for getting things right on the first, second, or even third try. I will give them that.

Microsoft will make incremental changes only, when it comes to software patches and their EULA. This conditions people to slowly and subliminally accept whatever crap Microsoft decides to foist on the user next, and in some cases it can be a user benefit (like MS starting to release patch details after being inundated with complaints). It's all about testing people to see where the demarcation point is in terms of how much they can get away with. They're doing forced updates to see if people will swallow it; if people are up in arms about this, then they'll release a patch or series of patches that gives back users the choice of not having updates be an all or nothing ordeal. The more they can track you and get you to buy stupid crappy apps in their dilapidated app store, the more the shareholders make. Microsoft isn't in the business of making Windows more secure and having better code quality for the sole purpose of a developer's pride. That fact on its face alone is enough to arrive to an obvious answer. If common sense is lacking for some, they can always turn to leaks written by Microsoft employees to fully drive the nail in with a hammer:

http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=74

Conversations take a turn towards the conspiratorial level when people start questioning if Microsoft is working with the NSA, and we already know this is 100% true from the Snowden leaks. Microsoft was the first to participate in the PRISM program, Skype is backdoored and has been for years, and Microsoft releases Windows zero-day vulnerabilities to NSA before they're patched.

http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/06/nsa-gets-early-access-to-zero-day-data-from-microsoft-others/

You may ask yourself why MS is dragging their feet through the US court system in regards to the data in Ireland that the FBI wants to get their hands on. The answer is that they're not doing it because they actually give a rat's ass about their users' security. Only companies that care more about than dollar signs behave that way. They solely care about PR, and if they lose the case it's a huge blow to the entire cloud computing industry. In this case, even anti-Microsoft companies are jumping on board to show their support. Microsoft's big problem of today, is trust and the impending (and already happening) irrelevance of Windows. Windows is going stale, and people are starting to wake up that the alternatives are better, more secure, and more cost-effective.

https://redmondmag.com/articles/2014/07/14/windows-use-at-14-percent.aspx

 

thank you for the sanity of a well-argued post. very refreshing here, imho.
stale is about right..

 

Even a small plug for Linux Mint thrown in to that interview