The main concern of this thread was to make people more aware of what they're agreeing to when they install -any- software, especially the OS. At this point, we all agree that there's a big difference between telemetry and spying. Telemetry is benign, within certain limits. Spying is malicious. What got many people angry was the aggressive tactics used by Microsoft to force Windows 10 on people. I took issue with that, as did many others. What that did was to force some of us to find another way to make sure our machines were safe. Personally, I disabled Windows Updates altogether and used the Simplix pack. Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but to me, the OS should be a safe haven for the user. I'm not even talking about cellular phones; Only a fool expects complete privacy on a cell phone. As far as the NSA's "magic keys" are concerned, William Binney said "We (the NSA) are not interested in breaking encryption as much as we are interested in weakening the endpoints." That's basically how hackers work. By weakening the endpoints. Or redirecting them. @CHEF_KOCH: You made a very good point about using a packet sniffing program to examine what telemetry data was going to MS. Early on in this thread, I did suggest that somebody should do just that. AFAIK, it hasn't been done yet. Even If we could, we'd have to break their encryption to find out what's in the telemetry. A lot has changed since I originally posted this thread. Our people here at MDL have all but eliminated unwanted "telemetry". To those people, I applaud your efforts. @dhjohns: I was going to say something about your post, but Joe C beat me to the punch. The first part of your post makes sense and is based in fact. The second part? well...unless you're a part of the upper echelons of Microsoft, I don't see how you can make a statement like that and expect anybody to take you seriously. I suggest you all take a good look at the MS Windows 10 License agreement, and especially at the Privacy waiver (Rider) attached to it. If that's acceptable to you, then by all means, use the product. I did not, nor will I use Windows 10 on -any- of my computers. Why? Not because I'm anti-windows 10 or anti-Microsoft, but because I do not agree with the license agreement. Plain and simple. And it clearly states: "If you do not agree to the terms, then don't install the software".