The right to be forgotten...

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  1. Yen

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    Only if they think Snowden could have used them.....

    "I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people, or walk away from nearly 10 years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit" said the owner of Lavabit.

    Again! Because of one person (Snowden) an aircraft with a president inside and now an entire company is concerned??!!!

    The US authorities can even seize almost any domain if they want. I know it since our 'partner server' who hosted most of our SLIC mods suddenly became seized! I have said the US have too much powers over the internet. (DNS and so on).....
    Not even I would use an US service to let encrypt /store my data. PGP on a Linux distro would be the way. The e-mail service itself actually doesn't matter. :biggrin:

    Or it is just the fact that you have to be very aware not to use US products. It's almost impossible not to have at least one US product in a 'communication chain'.....and soon it doesn't even matter if it is a US company / product or not. The 'good cooperation' makes it possible.
     
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  2. nodnar

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    It is very clear now that Snowden has unleashed a worldwide firestorm in computer and internet security development.
    This has also snowballed into an anti-US technology and anti-US government user stance because of fears of those technologies already being compromised.
    This including rumors of backdoor tools to Bitlocker possibly given to the NSA and FBI by MS...:eek:

    With the ingenuity and resourcefulness of many people and governments worldwide, I believe very soon we'll see a multitude of new open source security technologies and services.
    Some of which will very likely render $$$$$$$$$$$$ billions in NSA equipment and personnel virtually useless, and send them scrambling back to the drawing board...:punish:...:motz:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-storing-data-SEVEN-TIMES-size-Pentagon.html
    :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    i sincerely hope you are right. this nsa stuff is enough to drive even an innocent old man like me
    to paranoia..
    i have my grave doubts about a multitude of new open source security technologies and services.
    this is basically a software `solution`. i cannot ignore the fact that there are possible backdoors
    built into hardware, firmware, and operating systems, that could easily render any software `solution`
    useless...
     
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  3. gorski

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    #83 gorski, Sep 12, 2013
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    By chance, I personally knew someone who worked for them, committing suicide and leaving wife and newly-borne behind....

    Paranoid is not the word that covers what he felt, from what little I heard...

    s**te story all round...
     
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  4. nodnar

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    i feel that we already lost privacy... we dabbled with tor, vpm, etc..
    all to no avail.
    i feel a rethink is needed..
    hardware and firmware without backdoors, for starters.
    the industry is unlikely to give us that.
    i have not given up, but i for one would not mind to go
    back to the drawingboard..
     
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  7. nodnar

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    cosmetics, gorski? :D
    more like botox to eradicate natural smiles..;)
    and no. i can live with with a few wrinkles at my age..
    so the good president went through the inevitable motions,
    and the world goes to sleep again, just like chamberlain once
    recommended..
     
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  11. nodnar

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    hm. have my grave doubts.. the eu will be like china, iran, etc in no time, if they do that, i fear... ISOLATED from the real world..
    suspect la merkel had home consumption in mind when she said that.. ;)
     
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  12. gorski

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    The purpose of this is not isolation but independence from the US, i.e. not relying on their infrastructure, which they know better than anyone and can hack into easily - quite different... ;)

    As to what it shall turn into - that depends on all of us, as well... :)
     
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    Abby Martin Breaks the Set with an exclusive interview with NSA whistleblowers ...

     
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    ^are you guys from America?
     
  17. gorski

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    Can you tell which ones are and which ones aren't, just by reading the posts? :D
     
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  18. gorski

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    [h=1]Horizon: The defenders of anonymity on the internet[/h]
    You may not realise it, but every time you open up your laptop or switch on your phone, you are at the heart of one of the greatest battles now taking place in our midst - what shape will the internet take in the future, and what role will anonymity play in deciding it?
    Last year, the revelations of US security contractor Edward Snowden, suggested for the first time the extent to which governments were collecting and analysing our communications over the internet.
    But what Horizon reveals is that scientists are growing increasingly concerned about the way such information could be used to predict our behaviour and from that, be used as a form of control.


    "The power of that data to predict and analyse what we're going to do is very, very high," says Dr Joss Wright of the Oxford Internet Institute. "And giving that power to somebody else, regardless of the original or stated intentions, is very worrying."
    What Dr Wright is talking about is "traffic analysis", which allows the prediction of the behaviours of individuals, not by looking at the contents of their emails, but by looking at the patterns of communication.
    It's become ever more possible as we spend more of our lives online. However, what few may realise is that scientists at the dawn of the information age predicted such issues would eventually become matters of public concern and interest.
    Godfather of anonymity Few outside the computer scientists' community will know the name David Chaum, yet he has a claim to be one of the great visionaries of contemporary science.


    In the early 1980s, while a computer scientist at Berkeley, Chaum predicted the world in which computer networks would make mass surveillance a possibility.
    As Dr Wright explains: "David Chaum was very ahead of his time. He predicted in the early 1980s concerns that would arise on the internet 15 or 20 years later."
    This visionary thinker now rarely gives interviews, but he has spoken exclusively to Horizon about his early work and his anxieties about the world we live in today.
    "Well it's sad to me," he explains.
    "But it is really no surprise that the privacy issue has unfolded the way it has. I spelled it out in the early publications in - in the 80s."
    Chaum's great achievement is that he didn't simply identify the problem, he developed prototype systems that would make such surveillance more difficult.
    The most important being something called a Mix Network which used sophisticated cryptography not to encrypt the content of message but to hide the identity of the user. As Chaum himself admits, "this was quite a paradigm shift".
    Chaum's insights have given him the unofficial title of "the godfather of anonymous communication" because, amongst other things, his systems provided the theoretical basis for the modern Tor network.



    Developed by the US Government in the early 2000s, Tor made it possible to browse the net anonymously.
    Its ability to allow individuals to operate online without detection has proved a vital tool for dissidents in regimes which operate close control of the online space, such as Syria, Iran and China.
    Yet it has taken off in the West in a way the US government never imagined - for whistleblowing against the US itself.
    'Real autonomy' In 2011, it is believed that Chelsea Manning used Tor to leak US government cables and other data to Wikileaks which constituted one of the greatest government leaks in history.
    Horizon has gained access to the Ecuadorian embassy for an in-depth interview with Julian Assange who, while refusing to comment on Manning, agrees that Tor was important to Wikileaks.
    "It was a longstanding quest… to be able to communicate individual to individual freely and anonymously," Assange says.
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    Tor hides a user's identity by routing their traffic through a series of other computers


    "Tor was the first anonymous protocol to get the balance right."
    Yet Tor's effectiveness has also made it a target for the US National Security Agency, that has made repeated attempts to attack it.
    Campaigners like Jacob Appelbaum, who has worked with both Wikileaks and Tor, condemn these actions.
    "They want to attack people and sometimes technology makes that harder… the users have something which bothers them which is real autonomy… true privacy and security," he says.
    Yet while anonymity offers a potential bulwark against surveillance, for those who do not wish to be watched, it has also helped in the development of that part of the online world known as the dark web.


    Sites on the dark web like Silk Road have used Tor technology to hide their location and yet still be available to users who wish to visit them.
    The dark web has now become a focus for law enforcement officers who believe it is facilitating a variety of illegal activities including financial crime and child abuse.
    "Our detection rate is dropping" says Troels Oerting, head of Interpol's cybercrime centre.
    "It's risk-free crime."
    The arguments over illegality aside, many believe we need to develop technologies which make everyday use of the internet more resistant to surveillance and for that, we need to be able to encrypt our content.
    Encryption is, as Edward Snowden has said, the "defence against the dark arts for the digital realm".
    Yet currently, many encryption products, including Tor are not user-friendly enough.


    There is some consensus that the market will need to provide the necessary solution - and for those who wish to avoid surveillance - the outlook is hopeful since, as Julian Assange points out: "It turns out that it's easier in this universe to encrypt information, much easier than it is to decrypt it if you're someone watching from the outside... the universe fundamentally favours privacy."
    The question now is whether there is sufficient public interest and pressure to make that encryption the norm rather than the exception.
    UK viewers can watch Horizon: Inside the Dark Web on BBC Two at 21:00 and on iPlayer afterwards.

     
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  19. KnowledgeableNewbie

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    do we have the right to be forgotten? yes
    will we be forgotten? no
    impossible to wipe everything about you from the net, just look at the iphone leaks of stars. no matter how hard they try there still there.
     
  20. gorski

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    It's not about "everything" but about a specific company you may wanna force to delete your stuff from their records etc. etc.
     
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