[UNSUPPORTED] KMS Activator - The Original - Plus 8007000D Unbricker and Anti-AV

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The thing is just that i am IMMENSELY pissed off.

And that what he did has so many consequences that cant be reversed anymore. The damage he has done with this one action is considerable and affects like ten different things at once.

Also, if in our forum (where i administrate) somebody showed even a fraction of this kind of blatant disrespect towards another member (we tend to stick together) his acc and IP would be banned faster than he could say 'kicked'.

So perhaps i just live by other standards.

Although it also seems pretty common-sense that somebody like that guy has no business in a place which lives from the contribs of its members.

I am also sick, full of meds, feel like crap, and thats definitely the most inauspicious time to tick me off.

I would like to, but i dont know if i can just look past all that happened, especially when the staff of this forum wouldnt even back me up. (After all ive done for this place.)

I can take a few days off and see how i feel about it and what the staff has to say then...

 

IMO we dont need to grow and evolve.

Like you said, we didnt do anything wrong.

What we do need to do is stick together, back each other up against people who harm us, and that means if someone knowingly and arbitrarily pees on the carpet he will be asked to leave the party.

Its as simple as that. Or would you like to keep such people around?


(And please dont bring the "we-all-make-mistakes" argument now, i realize that, but there is a hell of a difference between screwing up by accident and f**king somebody over willfully and full-knowingly because i want to and because i couldnt care less for the consequences...)


PS: Im out for now. Will check back in a couple of days. Hope the MDL staff makes the right decision. So long...

 

Like i said, i accept whatever decision they make. No problem at all.

Whether i can actually live with (as in tolerate) that decision is a different matter.

And so i have to make a decision too.

(BTW, i reply to this post only because i dont want you to think that i ignore you. Also to clear a few things up while im at it. But generally i have really had enough of this.)

Im afraid i wont be able to accommodate you.

An 'infraction' for conduct such as he displayed is not conform to my idea of friendship and sticking together.

I would have supported each and every one of you if the situation were reversed.

And i mean that literally, because if this had happened to any of you in our forum, where i am co-admin, the person in question would have been gone faster than he could have said 'banned'.

But, thats me and my place. Doesnt count here.

I realize that.

But absolute or not, to me it happens to be the one that counts.

(Thats probably why its called 'my POV'. I hope you wont hold it against me.)

Yeah, where-oh-where was it...

I suppose doing the work to find the solution at all, and then sharing the solution in form of an application so people can profit from the work i did for them doesnt count? Wasnt good enough?

I must say i resent the way in which this question has been asked. Because it suggests that everyone who devises something for this place without handing out the precise specs for everything involved is a bad and asocial person who therefore deserves that it is simply taken from them whether they like it or not.

Sharing principle or not, i am under no obligation to share what i dont want to share, no matter for what reason. The fact that i contribute and share at all, and continuously so, by developing and offering usable solutions should be good enough for any halfways grateful person. If this kind of attitude is unacceptable at MDL then a note in the Rules/FAQ might be in order. Something like "Please note that if you are nice enough to support this forum with any contributions, and you dont voluntarily hand over every last detail of your contributions, you will be treated like a harmful element. As a consequence your contributions will be taken apart, analyzed, and all concepts involved will be made public whether you like it or not. The member responsible for exposing your methods will be applauded and you will be ostracized for your troubles."

That should about do it. Whether you realize it or not, but this describes the current situation pretty well.

Counter-question: Was it really so hard to use LocalHost?

Would it have killed anyone to wait a few weeks for 64bit support?

As can be seen in the respective threads, i originally DID intend to share the whole procedure after i had found the solution. Just as i shared everything else so far. I also offered to share the PID-less Host with all other devs when i still thought that a null string is failsafe and that it cannot be countered by Microsoft without a great deal of changes to the KMS Activation Module. But when it turned out that i spoke to soon i changed my mind because i realized that it is better for all involved if this does not hit the public. And i do have that right, dont i? After all i cannot expect say Cody from keeping it from his co-author. And you all know how this works. The more people involved, the more you can count on it that very soon the whole world will know about it. Everyone will claim that it wasnt them who passed on the info but the damage will be done regardless. Been there, saw it many times.

Well, actually now that you mention it i must say that this was pretty darn unfair of me. What the hell was i thinking? I therefore apologize for my unworthy behaviour towards my fellow devs, and, while on the subject, take the opportunity to request for the good of the community a complete copy of Dazs Loader sourcecode, including and especially the confidential encryption algorithm. Furthermore i request the full sourcecode and all involved files of Codys OfficeTool and all other KMS based apps developed at MDL along with full documentation of every part. In the highly unlikely event that i wont be accommodated (after all we share everything here) i will have no other options but to reverse the apps in question and thereby MAKE their authors share what they refuse to hand out voluntarily. Then i will post the whole stuff in various forums to do something good for my Thanks counters.

I mean thats how we do things around here now, not? You know, Borg Style? Your stuff will be assimilated, resistance is futile?

And why not? The worst thing i have to fear is getting an 'infraction'. Im a tough guy, i can live with that. It will all blow over eventually...

I never said they would. Please read more carefully. What i said was that i thought it possible that they eventually blacklist the PID originally in the exe of ZWTs Host. And that obviously has nothing to do with my or anyones app, packed or unpacked. After all ZWTs host exists primarily as a standalone.

The point is that if they had opted to blacklist the PID used in ZWTs Host then it would have taken me but 2 minutes to provide a fix for everyone, thanks to the fact that nobody was aware of the fact that it can simply be swapped for a new one. But that option has been destroyed now. Because now that the info has been spread all around the world (and practically shoved right in Microsofts face) they certainly wont settle for a simple PID blacklisting anymore. On the contrary, now they will take much more serious measures for sure. In other words that door i tried to keep open for the KMS users is now closed for good. All that has been accomplished is that the countermeasures, if/when taken, will be even more severe.

Well sure, but what reason with regards to FixMe would they have had to do so? Was it saying anywhere 'Look, i swap PIDs'? Or anything else that could have gathered their interest in that specific part of the app? You see your problem is that you are talking from an 'after the fact' POV. You know what FixMe does. But that wasnt known before. FixMe wasnt advertised as a new exploit, but as a fix for problems with an error. So what interest could Microsoft possibly have had in that specific part of the app from a countermeasures point of view?

Besides, what has that got to with anything? I mean this is not supposed to be a justification for basically volunteering the info to them, is it? Daz is aware of the fact that Microsoft could decompile his app in no time too. Why do you think he keeps his encryption method confident anyway then? Perhaps because he simply tries to protect his method (and thereby the users) as good as he is able to?

Again, what has that got to do with anything?

Just because they could add malware either way you dont voluntarily hand them the entire source on a silver platter just to make it even easier for them? Just to make it possible for even the most unexperienced kid to pack some s**t into the ORIGINAL package?

No offense, but some of these arguments are almost too hard to believe...



But enough of the explaining and justifying. This has already gotten way longer than i intended again. After all im not the one who did anything wrong and thus i consider myself through with explaining myself. @All: Please refrain from posting any further comments. Its pointless and will lead to nothing anyway. And i dont want to be impolite by not responding to your messages.

Staff: Sorry, i dont think that i can live with your decision. Merely giving him an infraction for what he did doesnt give me the feeling that you really care to deal with such things as the situation would require, even if you define 'required' only by common sense. (Meaning let alone forum-rules or guidelines, which he broke too.) It also gives me the feeling that you would rather see a long-time contributor walking than acting appropriately. And that doesnt exactly hint at appreciation for the people who spend hours and hours of their limited free time to do the often most boring and repetetive work only to make your forum an interesting and useful place. Im afraid that if you cant bring yourselves to reconsider this, and give me some sign that people like him will be dealt with accordingly at MDL, our relationship has ended. (I know, admin-proud can be a real pain in the ass so i dont expect too much here. Your forum, your decision. Make it a good one.)

 

I will keep it short this time.

Actually my decision to stay away from this place had already been made. But, i want to be fair. I realize that my impaired health, the meds, and the fact that i havent had a decent night of sleep in weeks, is screwing with my psyche. It makes me aggressive, sarcastic and easy to provoke, which is why i am willing to entertain the hypothesis that i might in fact be overreacting because my emotional state has me misinterpreting a thing or two.


I therefore have 4 questions for the administration. A simple answer will do just fine.


1) Why was this event allowed to unfold at all, i.o.w. why didnt the administration of MDL step in and stop it immediately?

Why did i have to come and complain before somebody reacted to this at all?

2) It was known that i dont want FixMe to be public, therefore obvious that i am not going to applaud if somebody ransacks LocalHost and steals FixMe, same for publishing the unpacked files.

"I don't approve your trying to keep your tool unique by keeping things to yourself."

These were his own exact words and i would think they are pretty clear. What exactly makes you believe that he was not aware of the consequences?

3) Since this would, even if it were so, not negate the disrespect and the other consequences his conduct entailed, why should this be considered an argument in his favor?

Especially when there was no need to help any others because i already did. FixMe in LocalHost 32bit works fine and a 32/64bit version was on the way.



4) Timesurfer once gave DARKOR the permission to integrate his rearm concept into his app. He later revoked that permission, never mind the reasons now, i merely mean to point out that this has already been practiced in this form.

If i were to request, hypothetically, that my KMS Activator concept(s) be removed from any application also hosted and developed at MDL, would the staff see to it that my wishes are respected in case the person in question refused to comply?

Needless to say that this last question is of special importance to me so please answer it truthfully.

Thank You.



PS: Thanks Bosh and Zilog.

 

Hi Yen,

First let me say thanks for your reply.

I realize now that the problem is, as so often, communication.

Things have been missed and misinterpreted, and i would be glad to point out these parts.

But i will do so only if you really want to hear it. Otherwise it would be pointless.

I say this because right now im not sure where to put you with regards to this.



Later,
-P

 

Fine.

My reply is going to be a little longer as well, so i think its better i do it with a fresh mind after getting some sleep. (Or at least trying to.)

See you then.


PS: Thanks System seems to be on the fritz. Cant thank TS for his post.