WAT (antipiracy update) released unofficaly....official launch at 17/02

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by SoLoR, Feb 1, 2010.

  1. sam3971

    sam3971 MDL Guru

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    I actually disagree dude. I have been using OEM/Volume copies of XP since it first was released and I never had any issues with WGA saying that it is not "Genuine"!
     
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  2. cooljay_4

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    #422 cooljay_4, Feb 13, 2010
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    PMSL AT HEADACHE TO FIX be honest the non genuie thing is easy as pie to fix anyone heard of wpatcher ;) (note only for XP)
     
  3. Hazar

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    Weird how they both still work then.
     
  4. bobbobagan

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    But who wants to use a patch if they legitimatly own a copy of Windows? It doesn't make sense.
     
  5. cooljay_4

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    #425 cooljay_4, Feb 13, 2010
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    why not the patch is not hurting anything even if you using a legit copy.

    I.E you can still get all updates and still use full functailty of windows :)
     
  6. Yen

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    #426 Yen, Feb 13, 2010
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    After reading a lot I'm quite sure now what will be one of the strengths of WAT:
    It reads out the raw SMBIOS data and ACPITables. My focus was on the tables....
    But the way for M$ is to compare informations to a special DATE/condition and to decide if it is a official SLIC bios or not!!!:busted_blue:

    Two examples.
    -bios date (is stored at different places)---> new mod, loaders become useless :cool:
    -chipset info: e.g. Nforce2 is definitely not SLICed at any official bios, because it's too old for w7 --->new mod possible?... loaders become useless :cool:

    M$ has a look what info from the bios indicates that it's not made to be SLICed official..they can use any SMBIOS data to read out. The chance to hit an official bios is about 0. At each update of WAT they can add such DATE relevant conditions. They can adjust WAT again and again. The biosmodder would have to figure what info makes the bios to appear pirated....of course M$ can use definitive attributes only...

    -Loaders would become useless, some info is written at a read only area after boot.....and loaders cannot write to DMI

    So now the clue is to make the bios looking made for W7 if WAT says it isn't.....cat and mouse game....

    Story......(not real, just thoughts).......ups WAT says my PC is not genuine....hmmmm why? Something must be at my bios that is conspicuous WAT is it????? Lol....:D
    Trial by error? Mod and flash, genuine? No..mod and flash, genuine, no??? Oh yes genuine again......new WAT update....not genuine again..and so on......
    If M$ is clever it will use one attribute only to mark a bios pirated.....then the user tries to fix it.....what is it??? Mod and flash and try.. I got it.....90 days later the same cat and mouse game again.....M$ is speculating that the user will give up and will buy a legit license.....

    -End of story-

    Edit: It's not that bad....there are a lot of bioses that are right to be SLICed anyway, because there will be no attribute to differentiate...
     
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  7. PAYMYRENT

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    because its not active yet :p
     
  8. cooljay_4

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    #428 cooljay_4, Feb 13, 2010
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    but the thing is yen that 90 days they CAN do a check on it they will more then likely do a check before that so that eventually they might have there checks down to like every 2 days or even every day(as quoted by microsoft will be like antivirses software) so my guess is they will make it a everyday check.
    then what you need to make a software like dummie files wich makes wat think your connecting to the service when u actually are not.
    any offers... ;)
     
  9. Hustle910

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    With Microsoft's new WAT due to be released soon, does that mean pirated Windows will come to an end?
     
  10. FreeStyler

    FreeStyler MDL Guru

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    dummy files??? faking services?
    It is the year 2010... every single application/service is digitally signed nowadays, so how do you see that able to work?
     
  11. FreeStyler

    FreeStyler MDL Guru

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    Start reading from the beginning of this topic ;)
     
  12. cooljay_4

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    #432 cooljay_4, Feb 13, 2010
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    i have seen it before were it says this driver is not digitally signed do you still wnat to use it and i have before
    is that not the same thing?

    i was always under the assumtion you had to pay for the digital licence so not everyone does cos of the cost.
    but dont always make it a virses or wotever.

    so not everything has to be digitally signed??
     
  13. Yen

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    I guess if you can't resolve the 'issue' at root (make a proper biosmod or a loader) you can forget about....why to install WAT to make it THEN to be fooled???? WAT will detect the dummies as well.....no, best way is to try to make the bios perfect. If you will be able to do that depends on the particular bios. Are you able to eliminate all attributes that marks it unofficially SLIced?

    So no general answer if a loader or a biosmod doesn't work after....up to M$, up to your bios
     
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  14. cooljay_4

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    thanx for that yen,

    as i said in previous post WAT isnt the problem i think the main problem is this 90 day or even earlier check.
    there is very clever people working at M$ but there is sum clever people work on this forum

    who will win ;)
     
  15. matrixcs

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    I dont think so dude. Every new program has always its back doors and holes which Hazar and Daz can work on.. just remember, there is no 100% total security
     
  16. Yen

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    Those who have got a bios / PC that will be marked as officially SLICed.:p
    You have to try to belong to them...

    The biosmodder / loader programmer are leading the game since the release of Vista, now M$ will fight back....almost every bios could be modified..everybody belongs to the winner..some will be suddenly separated when WAT is on. It' up to M$ how strong WAT will start. Boooom.....I guess MDL will have a lot to do....

    Don't install WAT before you have backuped your OS...
     
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  17. cooljay_4

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    #437 cooljay_4, Feb 13, 2010
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    so wat u basically saying is yen.

    get a bios mod??

    but i have never flashed that b4 and iam worried i might mess my bios up could someone help me with this please :)

    i have a winfast motherboard cnt find version on it but it orange :)

    and thanx yen and everyone i will defo not install WAT until backed up
     
  18. secr9tos

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    Especially if u don't use a bios mod. @all: consider Yen's advice before installing WAT
     
  19. qwerta369

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    Hazar: Thanks for your PM, only just noticed it now, I'm afraid. I'm trying to reply, but your box is full..
     
  20. Maldave

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    #440 Maldave, Feb 13, 2010
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    It this is true then if you buy a new motherboard and mod it with slic 2.1 and of cource it will have new chipset and new bios would you be safe then ?