What do you think about Electric Cars?

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Will your next car be electric?

  1. My next car will be electric

  2. I’ll wait several years for prices to drop

  3. I’m not convinced by them, I’ll buy conventional

  4. I am undecided, far more info is required

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  1. digiquandry

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  2. MS_User

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    very disturbing video...tesla best start working on a patch;)
     
  3. gorski

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    Oh, all of them were hacked, Toyota and onwards, so...???

    Fun, eh? OK...



    I didn't see Tesla lose control like this, did you? It's just new, better technology, that's all - get over it...



    As far as "evidence" goes, nothing would be easier than to put up an ICE fire-show - like this -





    - but to what end?

    Facts are above...

    Btw: https://www.greencarreports.com/new...tery-production-set-to-grow-50-percent-a-year

    The scramble for batteries is on...

    Lithium battery production set to grow 50 percent a year
     
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    digiquandry MDL Member

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    My old Chevy truck needed a patch on the rear tire....but I don't think anything updated. I know the upholstery didn't.
     
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    #985 Krager, Apr 3, 2019
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    By trade I'm an electrical engineer (retired) not a chemist, but I can tell you the energy contained in a typical battery for a large model aircraft is around 1000 watt-hours. That would be 3.6 mega-joules. Not all that much in gasoline, but still a fairly small amount of ideally vaporized gasoline can make a pretty impressive explosion. In comparison an electric car carries a battery in the neighborhood of 30,000 watt-hours (108 mega-joules). In terms of all produceable energy that's quite a bit less than a typical tank of gasoline. It works out that way because the efficiency of conversion to mechanical energy is hugely better for electric motors compared to IC engines.
     
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    #987 Krager, Apr 3, 2019
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    There's all kinds of model aircraft engines, I have ones that range from nitro-methane two stroke diesels to four stroke ignition gasoline. Also single and multi-cylinder. You know what though, the electrics are most powerful. The IC ones are just fun for the sound effects. The electrics are the speed demons, second only to turbines. I have some electrics that blow through a kw-hour in five minutes, that's 16 horsepower average, much higher peak.

    One engine I'd love to have but costly is a 7 cyl radial 4 stroke like this; https://s7d5.scene7.com/is/image/horizonhobby/EVOE777_a0
     
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    Interesting: https://www.offgridenergyindependen...-third-of-global-power-capacity?userfunid=250
    Renewable energy now accounts for a third of global power capacity | Off Grid Energy Independence

    The decade-long trend of strong growth in renewable energy capacity continued in 2018 with global additions of 171 gigawatts


    News: https://www.greencarreports.com/new...byton-m-byte-lightning-strike-todays-car-news

    The Ford Escape Hybrid will make a comeback for 2020—with a plug-in hybrid, too. Chinese Tesla rival Byton reveals the M-byte testing in winter. The Lightning Strike electric motorcycle is out. And our latest Twitter poll asks what kind of electric-car racing matters most. All this and more on Green Car Reports.
     
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    #989 Yen, Apr 3, 2019
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    There are too many variables left to make a proper prediction. I know.

    The substances used as fuel are a part of them....
    I know from a friend who has made his own 'special' mixtures....He also used MeOH / MeNO2 and some dissolved lubricants...but his planes were very small ones..
    I assumed larger models have a 'real' motor just using common fuel..gasoline or kerosene...

    Finally all depends on how's the mechanical impact on the battery / fuel tank when such an aircraft is crashing...
    The kind of fuel is actually secondary...

    This applies to any vehicle. Fossil fuel or EV

    Just watch (real) accidents and if there's fire at all...and how big is the fire...it's very very different (Except when watching movies. There has to be huge fire all the time, lol)
     
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  10. gorski

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    Fact: "98 percent of single-trip car rides in the U.S. are under 50 miles"... ;)
     
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    Tesla to investigate apparent Model S explosion in China :eek:

     
  12. gorski

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    Bleurgh... I mean, honestly...



    BMW has thousands every year...
     
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    Yes cars can and do burn, both ev and petrol engines
    Your missing the point gorski.... local fire depts. can easily extinguish a gasoline auto fire but not so easy with an electric car battery fire
     
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    Yeah, yeah, heard it millions of times already - new is dangerous... When steam engine powered trains started operating the speed was "a killer"...

    Tech developments waits for no one.... DANGER!!!!
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    Video Description via Fully Charged on YouTube:

    100% Electric Ferry Crossing

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    Plug-in Vehicles in the United States Displaced 323 Million Gallons of Gasoline in 2018 http://no_short_urls_allowed/2VB6smV

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    Lincoln plug-in hybrids and EVs are part of its renewal, not just for California

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    #996 Joe C, May 14, 2019
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    #997 gorski, May 15, 2019
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    That is THE issue in all this, for sure. And as you can see, the move away from such options is already under way... I would charge UN with removing the very causes of such a possibility, so Congo (etc.) becomes a decent country, where it would be illegal and close to impossible for this to happen - but that's me...

    Still, all the concerted efforts from the established industries against the new ones, as usual, are fruitful up to a point, I see...
     
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  18. Joe C

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    I am not totally against ev vehicles.
    But for me personally they are not yet ready for prime time. If they could fix that range issue, the re-charge time and the idea of using rare materials for mass production is well... do I even have to say anything about that.
    (there's still a lot of world oil supplies...maybe even more than those rare materials needed for batteries)
    I could change my mind about them if they come up with solutions for those issues
     
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    #999 gorski, May 16, 2019
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    EV are the prime-time today, there is no doubt about that! Sadly, they still cost more initially. However, when lower maintenance and fuel costs are calculated in, plus lower pollution rates - EVs win, yet again...

    Range is increasing, all the time, batteries are getting better and better and newer, different technologies are getting in on the game, as it were, so I have no doubt whatsoever that Human ingenuity, creativity, imagination will win that battle sooner or later in all minds... Be that as it may, the range in more expensive models is already over 500km, so not bad at all...

    Re-charging is a non-issue, really. Covered here many times. It is actually advantageous you can recharge at home. Very, very few rides are longer and need recharging on the go. But in that case, even with ICE owners stop to eat, we stretch one's legs, go to the loo, so no problem, really...

    You are right re. raw materials and sourcing them properly. then figuring out a sustainable strategy. But the current one is NOT a viable alternative, so trying new ones is not a worse option, for sure.

    You are right to ask the Q: what can I do in all this? Inform yourself and if you can't contribute research-wise (like most of us), we do swing the market, bit by bit...

    Oil and fossil fuels in general should be left for other, non-energy purposes only. We should switch to renewables ASAP, no doubt.

    And even in those areas, all that should be carefully monitored, inspected at all times, legislated and considered positively dangerous, just like pharmaceuticals, subject to similar tests...
     
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  20. Joe C

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    It is a trap.
    Prices today for ev batteries are low but once everybody gets dependent of ev cars because they stop making ic engines, then expect to see "shortages" of rare materials like lithium and cobalt.... You'll know they have you by the short and curly's when you pay outrageous re-charge fees and there won't be a damn thing you can do about it
    But by then they will convince everybody to start riding bicycles... to save the Earth! (of course)
     
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