Why is M$ pushing TPM?

Discussion in 'Windows 10' started by eemuler, May 20, 2018.

  1. eemuler

    eemuler MDL Senior Member

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    I think the BIOS updates are to fix the Spectre vulnerability; one of the variants needs a microcode fix that is best put in the BIOS. A lot of TPMs need a firmware update - different animal.
     
  2. GodHand

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    #22 GodHand, May 25, 2018
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  3. Demencial777

    Demencial777 MDL Junior Member

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    For me, it was the TPM thing, because for Spectre, nothing has been done so far (Acer sucks anyway for coding BIOS)
     
  4. eemuler

    eemuler MDL Senior Member

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    Games have a tougher road - the value doesn't usually justify the extra cost and effort to set up the TPM, (although there is a market to jailbreak game consoles). Also, the lure has to be significant. I want to play The Last Of Us, but it is for PlayStation only, and I'm not going to buy a PS4 just for the sake of a particular game.

    I'm more concerned about high value software - you know, the kind of stuff that often gets shipped with dongles. There the cost of the TPM is negligible - heck, I know people who buy a dedicated PC just to be able to run that software. So then we have dongle emulators etc. to bypass the security features, which is a pain, but still doable. What my main concern is whether we can circumvent TPMs like we do dongles.
     
  5. GodHand

    GodHand MDL Addicted

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    That quote is not correct that's showing. I did not write that part; it's part of the quoted person's remark. I simply added "Yeah, sister-board TPMs are universally awful."

    There, I edited it.
     
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  6. plasmah77

    plasmah77 MDL Novice

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    As with everything else in computer land, if TPM is used some day in the future for ant piracy purposes it will surely be circumvented. No doubt in my mind, Look what happened to Denuvo. It might take them awhile but is shall fall!
     
  7. lewcass

    lewcass MDL Senior Member

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    Warranty? what bleeding warranty? 90 days for windows if i am correct. 90 DAYS? ARE YOU s**tTING ME?

    Most physcial products have 12 to 24months waranty depending where you live, but these software companies are allowed to get away with murder because they are so big. Then there is the Tax question,,,,,

    If i use a Free product i know what exactly i am getting. Despite the blurb included with the program small developers do give support.

    MS tell you to go to the url xxx, fine, great, bloody marvellous when you know what a poxy url is.
     
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  9. Yen

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    I posted there that TPM is an approach to what we have got already and then I listed some cases...i.a. smartphones/tablets/game consoles

    The example to lose warranty applies to Huawei and Samsung Android devices for instance. I referred to devices which have a controlled bootchain already.
    HUAWEI devices come with a locked bootloader, if one requests an unlock code they state one loses warranty on the device not on the OS.
    At Samsung devices there is an e-fuse. When you alter a particular partition the fuse gets irreversibly tripped. You can clearly read in Odin mode there Warranty void bit set to one.

    I wanted to point out that TPM is a measure which is suitable to make claims on warranty....or the system simply does refuse to start if one alters something 'they' do not want.

    'They' can determine what is 'malware'. It might be just a preferred customisation of the user, but...

    The irony relies on fooling with terms: TPM stands for Trusted Platform Module.
    In fact Trusted = it is *cough* trusted as released by the big companies.

    It should be EPM = Enforced Platform Module.
     
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  10. lewcass

    lewcass MDL Senior Member

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    Thats a system that has been used by pick-pockets, magicians and politicians for years.
    Never believe something until it has been officially denied.
    True transparency means you dont actually see the thing.
     
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  11. Feniksrising

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    Bitlocker was the first Windows bloat I disabled. Thieves aren't interested in the hentai on your computer.
     
  12. fabre gastro

    fabre gastro MDL Junior Member

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    i used tpm to store my rsa ssh keys and old gpg signing keys and nothing more. so i have no idea as why i need to pick sides.
    well i am not a windows OS user, so i can skip it till i meet the demon face to face.
    and seriously TPM has many good use as well imho and it helps breaking many stuffs as well but ...... i will let you have the mic and the stage is all yours.
     
  13. fabre gastro

    fabre gastro MDL Junior Member

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    i agree with these 2 lines 100%
     
  14. pcnavarra

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    Their hardware partners requested it.
     
  16. scaramonga

    scaramonga MDL Senior Member

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