I'm sorry if you feel offended by that phrase. When I wrote it, I didn't want to sound like an offense. I'm really sorry,again. I'll try to explain how I see it: to create Daz Loader [BTW: thank you Daz for your creation] - the mind needs knowledge and practice with different disciplines created by the mind for the mind.Even here you need inspiration [which is an expression of SELF] to solve different problems when the mind is stuck. But to paint like Picasso, you need inspiration[which is an expression of SELF] - another attribute of the SELF. When thinking stops, then inspiration arises - the SELF expresses. It has been said earlier by Yen that the mind cannot observe itself only what it "sees" through the senses. I didn't throw the book of Eckhart Tolle to you, I just suggested you to read it. If you don't want to, then don't read it. Scientifically, you'll never have an answer simply because there is none. The mind will keep trying and trying in vain, but without any result. The problem with humans is they think to much. Too much thoughts running through their minds every second of their life. You don't have to have spiritual experiences - I don't know what do you mean by these - to know yourself. The discovery of SELF may look like a spiritual experience, but I wouldn't know. I, for one, I know that I'm not my thoughts - I use them to express MYSELF in this "reality". I'm not my body - I'm just limited to it - because I need to know myself - through the experiences. Because mind needs training in the fields the mind created for itself. If my body gets sick it's because it's vibration has been lowered by negative emotions/thoughts - so all I have to do is to raise the vibration to the proper level by meditation and the body heals.