Why moving to Linux to avoid Microsoft spying is impossible for most people

Discussion in 'Linux' started by roga, Aug 29, 2015.

  1. endbase

    endbase MDL Guru

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    anybody have experience with KXStuio distribution ? I use a lot music making tools so just wondering :tea:
     
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  2. nodnar

    nodnar MDL Expert

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    reporting a member is a last resort.
    but calling each other names or questioning each others`mental health
    is not constructive. it aint civilised.
    please refrain from that kind of thing.
    it is all about respect, imho.
     
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  3. Skaendo

    Skaendo MDL Addicted

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    Hmm, lets see, CLOSE THE BORDERS AND VET THE PEOPLE THAT THEY LET IN THAT WILL ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE WELFARE OF THE COUNTRY NOT JUST WELFARE.
     
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  4. roga

    roga MDL Member

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    This thread shows the barriers Windows users encounter when they switch to Linux.
    It gives advice on how to overcome the barriers.
    It shows which Linux distros are user-friendly, and which distros are harder, contain more bugs, or do more spying than others.
    I do not see this thread as a "whine fest". There are complaints about Linux because there are real problems and annoyances with Linux. Many things just do not work, even after researching for solutions. Beginners take comfort in seeing others going through the same problems and annoyances they will experience, when beginning the journey to Linux.
    This thread shows it is possible for beginners to switch to Linux.
    Read my edited first post to see that this thread is, despite the initial reaction from the topic, a constructive and helpful thread.
    It does not belong in the Linux forum, this thread is of interest to Windows users sick of Microsoft spying. Windows users won't see it if it gets moved to Linux forum.
    Now that the mods have stepped in and put a stop to the abuse, we can continue discussion on topic.
     
  5. endbase

    endbase MDL Guru

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    Just Installed KXStudio in an VM sound is horrible I must install it on an HDD proberly but that is a bitch with my multiple raid configuration :D
     
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  6. Kim100

    Kim100 MDL Addicted

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    Can I add a word of warning to Linux "newbies"

    As one who has been there, be careful with your windows files, mixing Linux and windows on the same hard drive can easily trash what you have. Invest in a second drive, unplug your windows drive and mothball it for a few weeks, until you are ready to make the switch or go back to windows. A small drive is so cheap these days its just not worth losing all your music,pics and videos, don't gamble with them, the majority of you will go back to windows in the end.

    Windows and Linux do not live as happily together as some would have you think. Please do not be put off, just be methodical and cautious so that you enjoy the experience.
     
  7. roga

    roga MDL Member

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    I have opened up Windows documents and media with Linux, not a problem.
    If the Linux and Windows partitions are separate, it should be safe enough I think.
     
  8. Michaela Joy

    Michaela Joy MDL Crazy Lady

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    @Kim100: Wise words indeed. :)
     
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  9. cdavisdeco

    cdavisdeco MDL Senior Member

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    Let's pretend for a moment there is no spying related things involved in Ubuntu or Mint. Now what's the best for home use?
     
  10. roga

    roga MDL Member

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    Putting spying aside, the best for home use is Ubuntu by far. It is the most popular distro, and has the best support. It is managed by a company that is more organized and fast acting than the individual people managing other distros.
    Search online for any problem you encounter in Ubuntu and you will get an answer, the same is not true for other smaller distros.
     
  11. dhjohns

    dhjohns MDL Guru

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    You'll be so busy looking for answers that you won't have time to do anything else!
     
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  12. Yen

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    With such statements (actually prejudices) you disqualify yourself. It appears ridiculous when you make statements about something you have no experience about. Furthermore it lets you appear as biased M$ fanboy...not sure if people are taking you as a person for a reasonable debate with real arguments.
     
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  13. cdavisdeco

    cdavisdeco MDL Senior Member

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    We are all looking for answers for something.
     
  14. T-S

    T-S MDL Guru

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    I got it. It's 42 !:D
     
  15. eemuler

    eemuler MDL Senior Member

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    You are well aware that the NSA has asked vendors of encryption software to put in backdoors so they can monitor the content. There are people who don't trust WinZIP, WinRAR, PGP etc. for this reason, choosing instead to use much older software like Kremlin to encrypt their sensitive data. Windows 10 has the potential to give them even more and better backdoors. The quality of the data they can mine is much superior to anything ever done before. Think about it: the OS, (any OS), knows ALL your email IDs, ALL your usernames and passwords, ALL your files and their contents (including your porn stash tucked away in a hidden folder LOL ).

    One of the easiest ways to keep separate identities was to use different browsers for each identity. One browser knows very little about what the other browser is doing, so you could keep activities on one identity from being linked to your primary identity. But the OS, (any OS), knows them all. This OS, unlike others, is linking the activation to your hardware ID. It is also actively mining data. Is this data also being linked to your hardware ID? If so, then there is your uniquely identifiable profile. Like you, I don't really care. Let them snoop - anyone trawling through my stuff would be bored to tears (yes, even my porn stash is boring). But would the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc. be willing to pay for data of this quality? I think so, and they have pockets deep enough to interest M$.

    M$ is also being rather vague about the extent of anti-piracy measures. Is this going to extend to third party applications? M$ loses a lot of money to piracy of M$Office. Adobe loses billions too - just think of all the pirated copies of Photoshop out there. Again, the OS, (any OS), can facilitate anti-piracy measures if it chooses to do so, and M$ is making ominous statements in this regard. Will Adobe be willing to pay for this? You bet. I predict that a year from now, most users of pirated Photoshop will be working offline. All those entries in the HOSTS file to block Photoshop phoning home - useless if the OS gives them backdoor access.

    The real danger, however, is that this information could fall into the wrong hands. Look at what happened with rootkits - that started out as a well intentioned anti-piracy measure, but is now the most dreaded virus category. Backdoors for the NSA, data mining to improve services - these are all well intentioned. Whether the bad guys crack one of the backdoors, or grab the data from M$ or whoever they subsequently sell it to, the results could be very damaging. Why bother sneaking a keylogger onto your system when the OS has one already that your antivirus doesn't detect? Oh, you've disabled that, have you? What's to prevent M$ from putting in another one that stays hidden this time? I smile when I hear people saying they have blocked all the spying activity using scripts and firewall settings. A firewall is only as secure as the OS it runs on. You cannot block essential OS processes like svchost. The only thing that has a chance is an external firewall appliance which you'll spend the rest of your days tweaking.
     
  16. winbond

    winbond MDL Novice

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    i though linux was all about "freedom",
    having "full control" of the system,
    having it "your way",
    obviously the GTK logs prove otherwise,
    cause those logs are force coded so they can't be disabled by us
     
  17. winbond

    winbond MDL Novice

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    true that, and you have to really know the network protocols to secure svchost (if that's even possible).
    not to mention mysterious updates that can reconfigure entire system,
    who wants to mess with and worry about it all the time? not i
     
  18. Michaela Joy

    Michaela Joy MDL Crazy Lady

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  19. John Sutherland

    John Sutherland MDL Addicted

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    The GTK+ developers toolkit is used to create the graphical elements that you see on your destop. Backgrounds, taskbars, menus, icons, widgets, and so on. The logs you're referring to are generated so that the developers have the information that's needed to troubleshoot and fix any problems.

    So my question to you is, do you honestly think that this information is of any use to you, or for that matter, anyone in the NSA? Do you honestly think they care if your desktop crashes, your taskbar is missing, or that you've installed a desktop widget to give you the weather reports for your zipcode? I doubt it very much, but if they do, the NSA employee who dreamed up such an idea should have his head examined to see if it's full of rocks.
     
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