Why moving to Linux to avoid Microsoft spying is impossible for most people

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  1. Superfly

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    @amajmon, I agree with Linux Forever - if you have tried most of the top distro's and still feel that way, then perhaps Linux is not for you, Windows 2000? LOL

    @ausernamenoonehas, that's good to hear, btw have you tried mapping buttons with xte?
     
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    #542 gDrive, Sep 26, 2015
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    I strongly agree with you, and this is coming from someone who uses custom ROMs and has said ROMs rooted (CyanogenMod, OmniROM - usually rooted with SuperSU, unless it's CyanogenMod, in which I use its built-in root/superuser feature) - I can tell you that Android and all Linux-powered PC OSes are WILDLY different from each other - yes in Android you get to bash in commands if you want to set SElinux to Permissive for instance or flash a recovery image on a fully stock-based setup (basically a phone with no custom ROMs/recovery images like Team Win Recovery Project) but installing programs is as simple as doing things like the Microsoft way - grab an APK file, tap to install, and BAM, your app is installed but with PC Linux OSes, most of the emphasis is on the command line interface and doing things the more tech-savvy way and I have to say that PC Linux OSes can be daunting. I remember setting up my friend's laptop by installing Lubuntu as it was lightweight enough for him to use on his crappy, ancient laptop, but the problem is that I couldn't get the WiFi to work on his Linux-installed laptop until two hours later (LMAO at that), and I had to switch between my Android phone and his laptop just to figure out how to get the WiFi to work - I eventually did get it to work, but finding the drivers was a pain in the ass.

    Now, as for Linux and program support, because he is an iFanboy, all that goddamn effort felt like it has gone to waste as I later had to reinstall Microsoft Windows XP so that he can use iTunes on his dated laptop (stupid retarded crap - why Apple doesn't do simple file transfer I will never understand - bloody fruity wankers - this leads to the point that Linux still has a long way to go in terms of getting program support, and Wine DOES NOT cut it to be frank, especially when running a program through Wine can be problematic due to Wine NOT having USB support or having other missing/broken features, which is the case with iTunes), but the bright side is that I have learnt some things in terms of basic Linux stuff from both experimenting with Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Knoppix, Kali Linux on PC and Red Ribbon Linux on the PS3 and using Android but as MS_User said, Android and Linux is like porn and real sex - they may only share one thing or two in common in the sexual department, but they're two WILDLY different beasts!

    Hopefully I will be able to delve back into the mysterious world of PC Linux soon so that I will become more proficient at using Linux, especially when I feel like a dumbass in the tech scene for being able to satisfactorily use Windows and Android but NOT LINUX itself.
     
  3. Superfly

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    I'm also a big fan of Android and custom ROM's.. but regarding installation, remember APK's are easy due to the JVM doing all the work.

    That being said I was never a fan of baby Linux (Lubuntu, Puppy or whatever) - it's fine stripping unnecessary stuff like Libre and stuff like that but some trim driver support as well - only leads to frustration.

    Most full distro's are lightweight enough and complete enough to handle most hardware scenarios...
     
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    I have to say that I admire what's being done with Android, rooting, and custom ROMs.

    As far as Linux goes, I've been fortunate. I'm using Linux Mint. It works okay, but it appeared to be a little quirky with regards to the mouse and keyboard. I'm used to setting the key repeat delay to the minimum and the rate to the maximum. In Windows, no problems. In Mint, I get double keystrokes. So, I slowed it down and it worked.

    for Me, just about every problem that I had could be remedied with a tweak or an update. And since Mint is first boot, I just boot up in Linux. If I need to be on Windows (I use 7) I just reboot and select it. :)

    If you choose a difficult version (distro / fork...whatever.) of Linux, sure you're going to hate it. Unless you're a tinkerer.

    Then, You'll love it. The same holds true with -every- piece of tech out there. You have to RTM and WTV for anything new. If it's not documented and You don't like solving puzzles, then stay away.

    When something stops giving You joy, then it's high time to find something else that does.
     
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    I just modified my OpenWRT WDR4300 router to boot from harddrive and serve as an iSCSI-Target :)
    The possibilities from handling linux are far beyond imagination.
     
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    I have a problem with linux. :D It's too freakin' EASY!!! :eek: I was hoping that using linux will bring on the "geek halo", but...no halo. :31:
    Right now I use Kanotix and the system update is done...via GUI...no CLI. :beee:
    There's no feature I miss from Windows. Kanotix's default web browser is iceweasel, which is based on firefox...thus there's no learning curve.
    Until now, I didn't have to RTFM or use google for help.
    But apparently there's a hard part to it :D : looking for wallpapers.
     
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    funny thing, getting double keystrokes in mint too..
    suspected this old lappy once took a coffeebath on the keyboard..
    but now i know.. ;)
     
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    Really? I'm curious now - will probably download the ISO of said Linux distribution and mount it through DriveDroid to do a Live CD test run.

    That said, the last update seems to be back from 2013.
     
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    Removing ZeitGeist from Ubuntu will not stop their spying. You need to remove all of Unity to do that then you need to ask
    yourself how secure Ubuntu really is anyway since Ubuntu became the official Desktop OS for the Chinese Government. Ubuntu is
    now working closely with the Communist Chinese Government and their Army on developing their desktop. China has been developing
    a fully transparent Linux for many years now so think about it. Ubuntu runs on desktops that are wide open to the police and military.
    The only Linux OS I know of that is very secure is PCLinuxOS. They are a Texas based group that has been building as solid a distro as you
    can hope for.
    As for other distros that use Tor and the Tor browser, seems like everyone has forgotten that Tor and the Tor browser were developed by the NSA.
    As was SELinux and a lot of other crap in Linux. And now Microsoft is jumping on the Linux bandwagon in a big way.

    And for those who want to give any Linux a try most distros can simply be burned to a DVD or Flash drive and run from there in a Live Cd manner to give them a try. A place to see a comprehensive listing of al the working Linux Distros is distrowatch dot com
     
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    I put the ISO on a 8GB USB stick with Unetbootin (rufus failed :( ), made it persistent with one click (you have a shortcut on the desktop), rebooted (required to enable persistence) and then in software management I clicked update software. Then I had to wait (s**tty bandwidth) and bingo! Everything updated.

    Tip: use Krusader in root mode if you want to do modifications. ;)
     
  11. Superfly

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    This whole Ubuntu/Unity thing has been discussed at length at the Ubuntu forums years ago - why bring this up here now?

    For the record it's not Spyware, at worst it's optional Adware.

    Regarding Tor and the NSA, how exactly does that fit in with Tails, who pride themselves on security and privacy?
     
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    I could never go back to using Ubuntu/Lubuntu/Mint etc or even Debian. I learned the hard way, Installing Arch, the Arch way Patience is always the best key with anything new. Gentoo, now that's the worst.

    The only thing I do hate about Linux, is you have to be careful, because on little update gets screwed and your doing your best to try and repair it if not re-installing the whole thing.
     
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    nice try. ever heard of disk imaging? Clonezilla is your friend.
     
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    :thinking: I don't know about anyone else, but in just the 2 years alone that I have used Slackware I have had only one major issue and it was my own fault. I had built a custom kernel and there was a major system update, like 100+ packages got updated including the kernel, and I didn't want to spend the time to fix it so I just did a quick reinstall. I should have taken precautions to not replace my kernel and everything would have been fine.

    In all the time that I used Debian (15 years) I can only remember a few times that I had to do a reinstall.
     
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    Same here. I have been using Ubuntu ever since 2006, and I only remember there might be one or two times over almost 10 years now that I had to restore a clonezilla image because of system crash. All other times everything worked as expected.
     
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    @Mikorist: Thanks for the heads-up about the bot. I've heard it mentioned, but nothing definitive. :)

    I have to say that no OS is completely safe from malware. If hackers wants to breach your machine / network, they will do so, and there will be little you can do to stop them.

    With that said, exercising common sense is all You can do. And sometimes, even that is not enough.
     
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    I find it hilarious that every once in a while someone exploits a bug in Linux and the Windows fanboys go nuts. I hate to have to mention the MILLIONS of virus', malware, spyware, and various security holes in Windows.

    I'm not calling anyone a Windows fanboy here, unless that is someone's intention. It is nice to know about security holes, and the fact that they said that it was known about for over a year and nothing was done to fix it is disappointing. I myself would like to know more about it, and every hole that is found. Like what OS, what packages, etc...
     
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