again it´s NOT what i am saying.. it´s what i was told here.... and because it makes no sense.. i asked the question... i was told SPP will only check against the local stored hardware hash. so when you change hardware it will deactivate. but im not changing the hardware on the first system! in my thought experiment i just pretend that my new system is the old system with some changed hardware. so yes, the important question is if SPP checks online from time to time or not.
I Work for a official Computer Manufaturer - Warranty Repair and Gold Partner (the same that leaked the Win7 Keys). For us it still unsure how thigs will work. We have a lot of notebooks that we prepare for companys and other stuff like 10K computers (notebooks and desktops) for a big oil company in Brazil. Most of the time is a pre-built customized image from customer and us. with every stuff loaded - and its already activated. We clone computer images (yeah good old method clone or deploy with microsoft tools) at last for win7. But also we repair a lot of computers - some with motherboards damage or fail or something else. We just replace the mobo and voilá - working computer again. since Slic is loaded never had problem ... Everything is in stock and etc. What about now ... so when first machines with win8 arrives and if something fails - it will need a lot of other stuff to be done - not change mobo and windows keep OK !?!? I know how to deal with bios, slic certs, hack something - but other techs here don't. Partner channel never knows anything about activate windows. i cannot only order new motherboard replacement !?!? ... s**t i think my work will be hard good old times slic 2.1
Well I have been told the OEMs have 2 platform servers. The key server and the reporting server. When the OA3tool is run the first time it requests a key from the key server and generates a full MSDM bin table as output. How the key server works and if it can create valid serials on its own or if it requests itself keys from M$ I don't know. I also don't know what exactly the key server sends to the particular machine when the OA3tool requests for one. (serial only or complete MSDMTable bin) The output of the tool is a complete MSDM table binary. But I have said it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if the OEMs would have access to a key generating algorithm or not. At a valid oem3 license there is not the serial only. Together with a CBR which has been reported from the OEMs reporting server to M$ completes the licensing. Only now the OEM pays. Valid licenses are stored at M$. Payment: number reported - number invalidated. Easy. (These are the infos I have got. I don't if it works exactly this way, I simply post what friends have told me.) I guess many still don't know how this all works in detail. M$ pushed w8 to become RTM. They loose money everyday, because they missed the apps. That's also the reason why I get slightly different infos. The people themselves don't know exactly how things work in detail. They are not well prepared for OA3 related actions (delivery, RMA...)
Just a heads up. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ You have a good point there on the 1000 rearms ... Its still in the system with the slmgr system , there is bootup Anti-virus in the lineup as well along with a windows defender update that runs in the background under MsMpEng.exe. During my research into methods its seems that bios mods may be a good way to go if done properly along with a registry hack (automated to avoid a mess on the user end). However Anti-malware will be on the lookout for anything going near the registry. Note: Im working with a demo at the moment but im going to move onto Windows 8 pro RTM and look into it more ... I will Keep people posted of any information i find out , Im currently looking into Registry keys for ideas... Im attatching a file its an image with an interesting reg key shown it make be something or nothing... Il leave it to people more skilled than i to work out.
Would it not be possible to block or deactivate the systems means to contact MS for activation data... An old XP hack allowed you to manually activate via the registry , microsoft could see this and maybe stop it ... The last part of the "hack" was to edit the permissions so the system couldnt edit them back. Smart move
Firstly for people that keep asking Valid Keys are stored on a MS's Server these keys are sent out by HP or Dell or some other OEM during the process of building the PC so even if you have a key that would be legit if the OEM has not generated the serial yet and stored it on microsofts server it will not work even though it is valid and no we cannot send OEM keys to MS's server as the OEM gets charged for every key generated so their will be action taken to foil such an attempt... So at this time they are valid and only valid on one PC at a time so this will throw a wrench in the works of trying anything along the lines of cloning or generation of your own key unless you could play both the OEM and M$ which may or may not effect how you would update your OS... Believe it or not M$ stands to make more cash allowing piracy then not allowing it it is hard to grasp this concept for most business moguls I believe but this is true people see mass copies of windows 8 everywhere being used by everyone and go out and decide to purchase it themselves this is the real truth of the matter piracy was massive with windows 7 yet they still managed to squeeze out large numbers of sales and will still continue to do so for the remainder of the product life cycle. If the techies don't have their easy way to get there copy of windows 8 freely they will loose out on the masses of advertisement face to face promotion with their friends.... Anyhow enough rambling on to the topic. I was thinking along the same lines it was mpa.one.microsoft.com or something similar at that time this is what I recall "reading about" people at that time were using the XPOEM Keygen and activating that way as well... A method like this may enable cloning safely and is a very slight possibility... The thing that trips me out is they spend all this money in copy protection that never fully works when they could just skip it and charge a dirty cheap rate for the OS and sell double the amount of liscenses 40bux for an upgrade is worth it though I will say that much as long as it is worthy to use as an OS. Yen would it not be possible to emulate both microsoft and the OEM this should work maybe setup a network of windows updates manually and have a third party windows update notifier? We could create our key being the OEM then submit it to our microsoft fake server to be stored and send the command out that everything is OK so lets say our hosts file resolved the activation server as our PC they checks would return that everything is OK due to the fact that WGA would not really know that the resolution of the domain is different. So this may actually even work with updates to be precise because everything would still respond as good even within the checks we may even be able to allow for all hardware removal if we could play M$ ... This is all theoretical there is a lot more work and more info would be required to be leaked I would assume unless there are people that are aware of the full scheme...
A guy on another forum reported, that he was at a product presentation in a private booth of an OEM at IFA show/Berlin. Two brand new notebooks and tablets were unpacked straight out of the original packed box. W8 pro OEM was preinstalled on these machines. The first power up was the same as with W7 units. W8 was installed to its end and some additional software etc. was also installed. After a reboot, the guy used the chance to look after W8 activation and it was on both units despite no key was entered or Internet connection was available. He said it was the same as with W7 OEM machines starting the first time and said that he would have been wondering if there were need to activate by hand. This company, selling so many units would not deal with stuff like that, he mentioned. He assumed there must be something like SLIC in the BIOS like with W7, maybe called like SLIC 3.0 e.g. Asking about the BIOS in the machines, he was told, that there is UEFI on board. Perhaps an activation code hidden there? He was also confirmed that downgrade to 7, Vista and even XP is available so there must be a SLIC 2.1 inside, he said. This message is translated by myself from German language and I think, everyone can read and understand it.
You might be correct: "weakness and scare" concerning iOS & Android.The new activation is a change of strategy: In the past, MS just wanted to delay & make it harder to steal Windows and be sure people know they're using an illegal version. To reach max. market share they didn't care how many copies were stolen if these people would have used Linux or an older Windows instead when pressed.Now they really seem to want to sell Windows to everybody, because if you steal the OS you're not very likely to buy apps through the Windows store - and the most important thing for MS now is to get developers to embrace Metro and the new Windows ecosystem.
Thing is a desktop/laptop OS and smartphones/tablets are a different ecosystem. On tablets/smartphones, the app store is something central that people can easily access, and there isn't really a large source off 'apps' elsewhere for those systems. A majority of those 'apps' are gimmicky and those that aren't, are things that on PC are 'too simple' that you wouldn't be stupid enough to pay so much for so little, if at all. This is on top of the fact that Metro or whatever they want to call it this week isn't that good, and DEFINITELY is not something that could actually be useful in a PC environment. Now you might say that some of the apps are useful, and you like them, but it's nothing that can't be provided through the traditional means. The new interface is really only 'good' for two kinds of people. Kids (because Metro looks 'kiddy'), and adults who use apps on a smartphone (they just seem smart compared to their users), and can't work out how to use anything else. You are right though, the cheapness of Windows 8 is to get people onto the new platform where they can not only claim a higher percentage of use, but make up for the shortfall in cost by strongly encouraging people to use their app store. This is especially true since the new Metro UI is 'forced down your throat'. That said, there are a lot of people familiar with Windows 7 and prior who aren't technologically minded who will find the Windows 8 interface not only crap (which it is), but also frustrating because they won't be able to work out how to use and install their current programs or access certain features. The really interesting usage stats would be: - those that use Windows 8 - those that use Windows 8 and a 'Start Menu' program like 'Classic Shell' or 'Start8' - of those using Windows 8 that don't use ClassicShell or Start8 etc, those who finds it 'easy to use' -
Hey, you perfectly get the point in few sentences Another point is that average joe is well used to use Windows as it is and is not so much capable to search, download and install, then configure for it's needings thirdy part programs to get back what is used to have in new operating system, so that "forcing point will just get to a slow fail" For whom believes that Windows 8 will be a success, good will be for some of us, that as a free lance will get payed to fix average joe's pC's, some kind of new business that in windows 7 nor in XP was needed! furthermore i think that Windows 8 is a big piece of rubbish for Desktops/Laptops and i will never use it, i have already prepared a "all in one ISO" for future needings, just waiting some of guys here working on having a stable 7 explorer. exe, i'm still confused if will be better the first solution, or the Classic shell/Stardock one Keep going Microsoft, thanks for your Market choose
Actually not completely..lol. All keys are issued by M$, because M$ has defined the valid keys for each license. That never had been the question. The question had been if the OEMs key server generates them (running a own key server issued by M$) or gets them itself directly from M$. But the infrastructure of the servers really doesn't matter, the OA3 tool requests a key from a key server. Details need to be defined in a config.xml which the tool reads.
According to the document that was posted ACPI MSDM table and MSDM are the only things that are referenced during activation and validation what I do not get is where is the actual hard evidence suggesting that some remote host activation process is required for OEM activation basically there are tools that are run locally OA3tool and activation is also validated locally from anything in this document I cannot see where anything such as a remote connection comes into play. Anyhow to be safe from blacklisting you first have to have a swath of OEM keys released from all different companies using whatever needed once there is millions upon millions of OEM activations by these computer manufacturers it will be too costly and cumbersome to blacklist I have a small maybe 20% hunch that a loader still will work in this is what the real hold out is. Other possibles is fear of prosecution due to the recent reports @ chilling effects .... Anyhow the documentation as far as I am concerned appears to suggest that the same activation can be used from windows vista through windows 8 as well another interesting thing to note weather it is BIOS or UEFI... Yen seems to be suggesting a key server and config.xml which would be local for the OEM's correct? So basically activation is still possible providing we could provide coordinating data to match the key server generates the MSDM data I presume and validation is done according to the MSDM info as to weather the hardware hashes are matching or not again this all seems to be local type activations. I dunno I think it may be possible that someone is jumping the gun here on remote activation... Even remote activation can be made to be possible via well known and well documented methods of spoofing the remote activation server on a local machine. Barring anything majorly missed with the right amount of time and info I would presume that activation could be attained locally and safely for all via similar methods used currently in windows 7. I may be completely wrong here but just contributing my grain of salt take it for what its worth.