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  1. PointZero

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    #2161 PointZero, Mar 7, 2021
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    #2163 Yen, Mar 8, 2021
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    The concerns are that people do exceed the therapeutic dose that has been determined for anti-worm use and is known to be safe. One dose is 150 to 200µg per kilogram body weight. Some people are already overchallenged doing the right maths, especially converting it to a horse paste equivalent.
    Another point is that at some countries the laws for animal use allow to use a quality which is not medical standard, means can have more impurities. This should not apply to the US where the standard is USP (United States Pharmacopeia).
    In other countries, though they do not use (human)medical standard for animal use.

    I agree with saying it should be a prescription drug. BUT available for medical use world-widely. Anyway it is one of the safest drug we have. It's been administered over 3 billion times already!

    Exactly my thoughts.
    It is even cheaper. India charges for 10x10 tablets 12 mg each (the highest dose available) 350MRP. This is 4.78 USD for 100 tablets largest dose available.

    This means 4.78 CENT for a daily dose (one pill 12mg) for a 70 kg person!!!!

    This would mean a dose of 171 µg / kg body weight which is perfectly in the middle of the therapeutic dose. (150-200µg)

    It's available as generic drug, since the patent of Merck (Stromectol) has expired already.
    ref (for instance Iverheal-12): https://www.healingpharma.in/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Updated-product-list-5-nov-2020.pdf

    Besides of that. The deaths related to the vaccines are already exceeding the stats for Ivermectin. This is impressing since ivermectin is used since decades and the vaccines some months only.
     
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  5. Yen

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    You should be on the safe side since you've got your first jab already and gonna get fully vaccinated soon.
    Ivermectin is for people who already got COVID19 or are anti-vaccine.

    They do not ship to EU. (https://anonym.to/?https://www.healingpharma.in/product/iverheal-12mg/) I used it as example how cheap it is in India.

    Folks on youtube living in the UK try to get the original one (Stromectol) here: https://anonym.to/?https://ivermectin24h.com/

    It's more expensive, though. Do it at your own risk. Not sure if they are reliable. No guarantees from myself.

    I am trying to get it from India directly. Anyway do not know yet if it works. (And if the customs here will make any trouble).
     
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  7. gorski

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    Yen, these poor sods, C-19 deniers and anti-vaxers - are screwed... Here come the "pollinators", bearing vacc... ermmm.... gifts.... :D



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  8. Palladin

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    Yen:
    I'd like your opinion on these Ivermectin products sold on Amazon. There are a lot of the paste products like I discussed earlier, and there is one product that caught my eye. It's a 1% solution for injection. Now I don't plan on getting a jab with this stuff, but it seems possible that you could just mix it with some water and drink it?

    This is from Amazon:
    https://www.amazon.com/Durvet-Iverm...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=EJ4BKVB0C5WQE0WXTKDB

    This is from Tractor Supply:
    https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/durvet-ivermectin-injection-1-sterile-solution-50-ml

    And this is from the company that manufactures it. With a stern warning regarding human consumption. Which is kinda what you would expect. https://www.durvet.com/product/ivermectin-injection-1/

    But still, if it comes from a reputable company, is refined to a 1% solution, and can be injected into horses and pigs. You would think it would be safe because if it wasn't a lot of farmers would be very unhappy with the product.

    But I have no idea how much of this you would use as a safe dosage for a human, if any

    Appreciate you input.
    Thanks

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    It was worse in the UK, proportionally but - awful!!!
     
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    #2171 Yen, Mar 10, 2021
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    I don't have much concerns about the quality. Especially solutions for injection usually are even sterile and do not contain much others ingredients (mostly saline).
    Yes and IVM solutions for injection can be applied orally.
    It depends on the drug alone if it can be administered orally or not!!! Some drugs do not pass stomach and get metabolized before they enter the blood, but IVM does not belong to them.

    The ISSUE is the maths the right QUANTITY! You actually do not need much more than 1mL / 1g per day!!!! At horse paste even less!!!!!

    Formula
    (BW*TD)/(P%*10) = mL injection solution and / or gram horse paste SINGLE dose!

    BW= body weight in kilogram
    TD= therapeutic dose in mg/kg body weight. Lower limit 0.15 mg (150 µg) and UPPER limit 0.2 mg (200 µg)
    P% (percentage of either injection solution 1% OR horse paste 1.87%)

    Example:
    70 kg body weight
    horse paste 1.87%
    UPPER limit single dose (200µg/kg means 0.2 mg/kg)

    (70*0.2)/(1.87*10) = 0.75 grams MAX!!!!
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    This is almost nothing and who has correct scales weighing below one gram?!?

    The injection solution 1%:
    (70*0.2)/(1*10)= 1.4 grams or 1.4 mL MAX!!

    You need something to measure 1.4 milliliter correctly! (Or scales to weigh correctly 1.4 grams)

    Short: overdose is the most concern since 0.75 grams of horse paste is really not much!

    Disclaimer:
    I do not recommend using IVM this way!!!
    I provide the right formula to illustrate how easily an overdose can happen!!!!!
     
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    Btw, I know an Indian firm which ships to EU/UK etc. They have 6 and 12mg Ivermectin, 500mg Azythromcyn, Nimesulida and a whole lotta other... jolly little pills... if you know what I mean... :p
     
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    #2174 Palladin, Mar 10, 2021
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    Yen:
    Very informative.
    I had no idea the correct dosage was so small. It's easy to see why the manufacture doesn't want normal people fooling around with this stuff. Even if someone told you "don't take too much." That could easily amount to a 10x overdose.

    I have a microgram scale so I did a bit of experimenting. I weighted10 pills then, 3, 2, 1 and it looks like I could measure the correct amount pretty accurately.

    Seems to me the best way to do it, would be to get the 1% liquid, then get an asprin tablet or two, zero out the scale and add the correct amount of liquid from a syringe.

    Take two pills and hope for the best.

    P.S. That 50ml bottle on Amazon contains enough Ivermectin for about 35, or a month's doses according to your formulas.

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    it is true here things are getting chaotic these days the government should enter the purple phase (criticizes) and then in the black phase making it is chaos the people do not know what to do my God in heaven ;):eek:
     
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    Don't waste your time, not worth it. Some people are just plain sheep. Real true information is out there and everyone is responsible to research and open their already brainwashed mind.
     
  18. Yen

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    It depends on your dose plan (when you take one full dose) and if you'd do prophylaxis or active treatment.
    I'd suggest following the FLCCC: https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-...LCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf

    They suggest the upper therapeutic dose of 0.2 mg/kg
    "Prophylaxis for high risk individuals 0.2 mg/kg per dose — one dose today, 2nd dose in 48 hours, then one dose every 2 weeks"

    50 mL contains 1% of IVM. This is 0.5 gram or 500 mg
    If you go now for 70 kg body weight and max dosage you have 70*0.2= 14 mg is one dose.
    So the entire 50 mL are 500 mg / 14 mg around 35 single max doses. Yes you are right 35 single doses available.
    If you take every 2 weeks for prophylaxis it'll last 35*2 = 70 weeks. :)

    For active treatment you should not exceed 5 doses in 5 days either way!!!!
    "0.2 mg/kg* per dose — one dose daily, minimum of 2 days, continue daily until recovered (max 5 days)"
    Actually it would last 35 days in a row.

    I told you so it is very very cheap!

    And people get fooled by the power!
    1 kilogram is 1000 gram
    1 gram is 1000 milligrams
    1 milligram is 1000 micrograms

    And 1 percent is 1/100
     
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    #2179 Yen, Mar 10, 2021
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    The conservative old farts (scientists who are very picky with their analytical mind) and therefore usually are lacking of a prevailing spirit of scientific intuition and research do slowly realize how beneficial Ivermectin really is.

    This is usually (from my own scientific experience) the point of breakthrough. Thank god.

    Dr. Campbell a famous UK MD now realizes the potential of use.

    If you are very patiently and have enough time watch this and you will experience and understand why we have to wait for cures even though if they are already available.
    They are sticking to their established 'gold' standards while others have intuitively gotten already what's good and whatnot.

    The lady does not even articulate herself straight forward and is stuttering and repeating herself. (Hidden euphoria because of IVM, who knows, lol)

    But I almost have fallen asleep watching that.

    But it's a sort of cool watching those old farts. And by that I don't wanna appear disrespectful in any way. (I have exceeded my middle also already)

    You need those PPL because they are the grounding of the establishment with the needed powers while others (those with spirit of research and scientific intuition) are a minority with less powers since they frequently have to swim against the tide.

    Anyway funny watching it and I am so happy he got it as well that IVM rules
    Other MD's like Kory and Syed were lot faster, though. Some of them got it last April already.
    They do have the mentioned spirit.

    Actually we cannot afford to have time in this pandemic.




    I just got a tracking number from India for my IVM delivery. Fingers crossed that it'll arrives.

    1mBTC (around 50$) for 50 pills / 12 mg Iverheal shipping included.
     
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