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  1. Mr.X

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    Insult him too.

    I am the one pushing conspiracy FACTS here. And they are properly written even English is not my native tongue. Or I mite mite or mite yeah mite, did I say MITE? have a heart attack for conspiraloonie.
     
  2. Yen

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    #1662 Yen, Dec 8, 2020
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    "From the proposed and the existing vacines are any of them causing changes to cells / receptors . Sorry , in that direction my terminology isnt good . I mean ...........in germony there's a very large movement of people who reject anything thats been gene manipulated . Are any of the vacines going in that direction ?"

    The idea that mRNA vaccines could alter the genome is an argument coming from conspiracy adherents.
    mRNA are genetic vaccines, yes...but.

    mRNA vaccines cannot change human genome. They do not reach / enter the nucleus where human DNA is located. RNA and DNA is not compatible. Theoretically there are other viruses which can transcribe RNA to DNA, but therefore you need to have such viruses in body. It never has been practically observed, though.

    Another thing are DNA vaccines themselves which are also developed to fight SARS-CoV2. They could make DNA insertions in the nucleus and therefore change the human genome. (and that might cause mutations / cancer). Such vaccines are not very far developed for SARS-CoV2.

    "If it works on an RNA level and not DNA that means that the vacine will have to be administered regularly = At the latest every 7 years ?"

    How long a vaccination lasts is not dependent on kind of vaccine. See my post: https://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/coronavirus-discussion.81224/page-83#post-1634249

    It's not even clear if the vaccination approach is working at all at COVID-19. I assume if yes, then vaccination every 1-2 years maybe. But not the usual long period we already know from other vaccinations (up to 10 years).....

    "If people have already had covid 19 they dont need to be vacinated ?"

    The Chinese study posted by Mr.X figured a re-positive rate 0.31%, but all asymptomatic and non-virulent.
    It seems once infected you are immune to COVID-19 and 0.31% get virus positive again, but without getting any symptoms of COVID-19 and they also cannot infect others by it.

    The answer is a clear NO to vaccination, all the more not at this early stage of development.
    Being recovered from COVID-19 is the best state one can have for now.

    "If people have already had another member of the covid family they have /might have some imunity ?"

    You either have pre-immunity from other coronaviruses (AKA cross-immunity) or you have immunity to SARS-CoV2, but to get the latter you need to be infected by SARS-CoV2.
    There are many many cases in families where one marriage partner is suffering from COVID-19 and the other one stays immune to COVID-19 even when there is still usual exchange of affection and sex.

    It seems many have pre-immunities and therefore an asymptomatic progress of infection.
    And as we know now clearly. (Chinese study 300 asymptomatic persons all non-virulent) People without symptoms of COVID-19 cannot infect other people. The viral load is by far too low, at least for a healthy person.
     
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  3. case-sensitive

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    #1663 case-sensitive, Dec 8, 2020
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    @ Yen ....... Thank you . You've confirmed what i was thinking . The questions were also a little bit sugestive ........ to provoke people to think .

    I said 7 years because if a vacine doesnt work on a DNA level the changes it makes are not permanent .......... and 7 years is about the time it takes for the body to replace most of its cells .

    Part of what i'm trying to point out is .......... we dont have enough statistics to compare or make any conclusions . And rushing a vacine out to everyone will stop us ever doing that = We'll never know how bad it was and we'll never know if the measures that have been introduced were sensible ........ but governments have given themselves more powers = taken away more of our rights and freedom and afterwards will be in a position to say ........ ' It was terrible but we saved you with the vacine ' .

    The BBC news said that everyone must have the vacine or it wont work = WTF !!! NOONE will force me to have any vacine and i wont be vacinated before its been show to be nesecery .

    If people have already had covid 19 or a member of that family or ........ maybe ........ if other vacines for example flu vacines or other diseases have helped in any way to make people less suceptable to infection and / or to lower the severity of the infection .......... it makes no sense to vacinate everyone .

    IF we take a representive sample of society .......... and look at how many are already imune / partly imune ........ how many actualy get ill and dont get sever symptoms ......... and how many who do have severe symptoms that recover ......... how many people are we actualy talking about that need the vacine ? It must be relatively small = Why should we vacinate everyone ?

    @ The comercial side ........ the pharma industry has now got a monopoly ......... an egg laying , wool , milk , sau ........ that has to buy their products every few years ........ forever .
     
  4. MS_User

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    SAMHSA National Helpline
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    please seek help;)
     
  5. MS_User

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    #1665 MS_User, Dec 8, 2020
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    u both post fake news....well at least u admit that your a flat out liar:rolleyes:
     
  6. Mr.X

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    "Your" last. You need to admit being a flat "aut" joke and a fake human yourself. To admit you think "your" smart enough while I know for sure you are not.

    "Theirs" a fine line between smartass and stupid. ;)
     
  7. MS_User

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    is that supposed to hurt my feelings fool:rolleyes:
     
  8. Yen

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    #1668 Yen, Dec 9, 2020
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    NO vaccine works at 'DNA level' as you might think.
    Vaccination never changes the genome in order to protect. We are talking here about immunology, not genetic engineering.

    The immune system, though, has an inherited genome based part. It depends on your ancestors.
    The other part is 'learned by living'. It mostly depends on your childhood and which infections you went through. You mainly train your t-cells by that. It's long term related to human lifespan.
    And the next part is specific (antibodies). It leads to a temporary immunity to a certain defined 'pathogen'. Antibody levels usually decline soon....human body stops producing them after recovery.

    Those vaccinations which lasts 7 or even more years do work, because you have still a very good protection at low antibody levels. This highly probably does NOT apply to SARS-CoV2, because a high viral load needs a high amount of antibodies.

    Actually no vaccination ever before has worked well at respiratory related infections which come with a high viral load!

    All three parts are representing your individual immune defence.
    A certain (t)-cell might die, but the 'content of learning' is preserved! Cells do communicate very well!

    Very simplified:
    -innate basic immunity (genome based).

    -cell mediated immunity. Trained t-cells due to infections in childhood / life. Also their cross-immunity.
    -humoral immune response. Specific antibodies right after recovery of infection.
     
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  9. Yen

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    You clearly can notice that COVID-19 vaccination is a political issue and sadly not based on scientific reason!

    https://apnews.com/article/uk-gives-first-covid-19-vaccine-doses-719288c35d8ef8815b56b1c9c5fff24c

    This is simply wrong!
    Those are viewed differently because they are Chinese / Russian vaccines!
    They are as (un)safe as the one from BioNTech.

    All them have telescoping Phases! The 'end' of Phase III is by far sooner than usual and freely determined.

    The Chinese have even more people vaccinated far sooner in November already: About one Million compared to 43,000 of BioNTec.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...eople-experimental-covid-vaccine-says-company

    Unbelievable! No reason, no objective way of thinking.

    People get fooled to a large amount.
    Pointless assumptions about different vaccines. Prejudgment!

    What's wrong with those people?!?

    BTW: All the best for you, Margaret Keenan.
     
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  10. case-sensitive

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    @ ' vacines ' ...... from international news channels today ---- >

    The vacine being distributed at the moment was said to be 70 % effective . Then a small part of the tests were said to be 90 % - 94 % effective . That change came because the vacine manufakturer made a mistake in the tests ......... wich doesnt inspire confidence .

    The BBC news said that everyone must have the vacine or it wont work . . Other sources say that at least 70 % of the world population must be vacinated for it to be effective .

    How will we reach that 70 % ........ with force ?

    International news channels say that it will take at least three years for everyone to be vacinated .

    The news says that people with alergys shouldnt get vacinated .
     
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    and supposidly the chinese vacine is 84% efective so which is better ?
     
  12. Mr.X

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    Even more simplified:
    Don't mess with this delicate immune system created by whatever you believe but man. Don't mess it with man-made vaccines. No need to. Think about arrogance...
     
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    Another question ---- > Can people that have been vacinated still be carryers and infect other people ?
     
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    #1674 Yen, Dec 9, 2020
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    Yes.....I would wait generally.....why should I play guinea pig for their Phase IV?

    Those percentages are a race without real scientific background.

    They suggest the closer to 100% the better.

    But you only get a valid answer to your question after several years of experience.
    Anything else is vague!


    For now they present a simple relation:
    You divide the amount of infected people who have got the real vaccine (verum) by the amount of those who were infected but who have got placebo (just like water).

    And the data originate from the vaccine maker themselves for now!

    Example: Pfizer / BioNtech

    43,000 participants at Phase III
    Only 170 of all them got COVID-19 anyway. (This is a very vague and thin dataset)!
    162 of them got no real vaccine (placebo group)
    8 got the real vaccine but got positive anyway !

    8/162*100% = 4.938% who showed that it has failed.

    Now you know why they say It's more than 95% effective (100%-4.938% = 95.06%)


    See above. For sure if you belong to those 4.938%

    Maybe it even does only prevent to get sick.
    The people of the study hardly meet each others. So we still do not know at all if you could spread the virus.

    Even though they say it's 95% efficacity it is NOT really.
     
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    #1675 Mr.X, Dec 10, 2020
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    External peer review of the RTPCR test to detect SARS-CoV-2 reveals 10 major scientific flaws at the molecular and methodological level: consequences for false positive results

    https://www.researchgate.net/public...level_consequences_for_false_positive_results


    What the hell!!!


    This is the publication that put the world down on its knees...

    https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.3.2000045



    Retraction request letter to Eurosurveillance editorial board

    https://cormandrostenreview.com/retraction-request-letter-to-eurosurveillance-editorial-board/



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    All sanitary measures taken by many countries around the world are WRONG, to say the least.

    As a
    consequence of such results made by Christian Drosten and gang, we are in lockdowns, wearing face masks/muzzles, social distancing and a lot of aberrations under this new subnormality.

    So for me this is a conspiracy vs humanity.
     
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    #1676 Yen, Dec 10, 2020
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    Guess how I felt! It really has hurt.
    But no. People told me I have no clue and I am a corona denier therefore..and I would downplay corona.
    Every scientist who knows the very basics of diagnostics and PCR tech. can look through it!
    Even I can!
    But most of them scientists are quiet!!! What a wuss! And Drosten sucked at swine flu already...

    Never saw such a mess that has been 'established' ! :D

    Only two of many posts about the PCR-mess I quote myself again...
     
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    #1677 Yen, Dec 10, 2020
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    My daily contribution. :)
    Compare those values (again) to the privately announced side effects. They only talk about a few percent!
    How can they officially post on the Pfizer site that the highest percentage is 3.8%???
    They lie!!!!

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2773790



    Severe COVID-19 and finally my invitation for the authors to differentiate.
    It's all about immune system...who knew?

    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticl...scpedit&uac=329093HZ&impID=2727479&faf=1#vp_1
    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/370/6515/eabd4585
     
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    Then I'm closer to meet my maker! :fear:
    Nah I make use of CDS.
     
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    #1680 Yen, Dec 10, 2020
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    MERS is old..
    Drosten needs fictions about pandemics and fear of people to 'be' somebody. AKA to remain in headlines.
    If you know his life you know how frequently he was wrong. He's plain career-obsessed and actually a bad scientist.
    Never objective, always overdoing...

    You can clearly notice that...if he's talking about a 'new' virus it is always worse than before.
    He's been utterly wrong at H1N1 and it comes very handy for him that his own PCR test 'confirms' that he was right with COVID-19.
     
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