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  1. vladnil

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    #3361 vladnil, Oct 12, 2021
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    По вечерам я играю в Elite Dangerous Odyssey с молодежью
     
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  3. Yen

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    #3363 Yen, Oct 12, 2021
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    Your assessment 'this is not yet robust....' is one thing.

    Those drugs and all the vaccines who have got EUA already another thing.
    You have to ask yourself why you are biased applying different criteria to vaccines / drugs who already have got EUA and IVM.
    I only can point on irrationality.
    In fact there is no clinical data available on robustness of the vaccines.

    The data coming from the real time mass experiments are released by national institutions and there is no real scientific environment we usually have at common clinical trials (such as active reporting etc etc)...

    You don't seem to be aware that the vaccine's real benefit / safety (risk) is by far more uncertain than it would be for IVM.
    53 of 64 studies must be excluded to avoid finding statistically significant efficacy. Robustness of 82%. This is VERY robust.

    The vaccines have got EUA by evaluating ONE study!!!
    The high number of participants for instance Pfizer: 43,548 has nothing to do with powers for determining efficacy!!!
    You have to look at these numbers: Cases: 170 [162/8] means 95.06% 'efficacy'

    170 people!!!
    who got infected. ONLY at the infections you can measure the protection. This is a range of powers where IVM studies are as well.

    And concerning safety 43,548 (half of them got treatment 21,774) is nothing compared to 3.7 billion of IVM administrations so far.

    Are you aware that the vaccines still have a potential to turn out to be 'dangerous'???
    The mRNA technology is new and we NEVER have used it! Many experiments have been skipped. We know nothing about proprietary modifications of mRNA and not really what they do in human body.

    Happy birthday @vladnil !!! :)
     
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  4. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    Yen, this is irrational!

    I was not talking about all other potential benefits IVM has - but on heavy reliance on IVM re. C-19!
     
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  6. Yen

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    Then I missed it. :)
    I don't plead for 'heavy reliance', but for EUA as an additional tool, as a consequence of applying rationality.
    EUA is very different for IVM since it has got full approval years ago already. The EUA would be for treating COVID at first place.

    Once it has got EUA IVM could 'provide' data in a broader range how it really turns out.
    Since it's very safe for years, nothing to lose.

    Do not plead for IVM as monopolist. I plead generally for more focus on repurposed drugs. It also would satisfy our need for sustainability, availability and fair costs.
     
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    Yes, that makes sense, of course - we need those proper studies, for sure! :)
     
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    "BBC debunks ivermectin"

    Dr. Campbell about (your) the BBC article.
    He's a serious British guy with British sense of humor.
    His assessment is conform to mine, but he's a lot more 'dry'.....


     
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    https://www.jpost.com/health-and-we...ings-support-preliminary-israeli-trial-681127
    A study published a few days ago found that low-dose aspirin can reduce covid mortality by 50 percent.

    A preliminary Israeli study confirms these results.

    The treatment reduced the risk of achieving mechanical ventilation by 44 percent. ICU hospitalizations decreased by 43 percent and overall in-hospital mortality decreased by 47 percent.

    Many jokingly pointed out that the corporate media would now attack aspirin the same way they previously attacked ivermectin.:)
     
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  13. gorski

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    Yes, that's what these institutions are all about - monitoring epidemics, pandemics etc. That's their purpose - to learn from it and protect from greater harm...
     
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    #3374 Mr.X, Oct 17, 2021
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    There's no scientific grounding to believe the benefits this technology propose, it's based on pseudoscience. There's no need to track people this way to stop a pandemic.
    It's all lies. Anyone with a little understanding how this world works, could easily know this is all about control. This technology is spearhead to control sheeple in this new technological feudalism.
     
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    #3375 Mr.X, Oct 17, 2021
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    There are many safe and effective medical options

    Dear Akasha Community Members: I am sharing information about one of many treatments that have been shown to be very effective in eliminating viral load, preventing symptoms, and reducing the time from moderate to severe symptoms: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01744-X/fulltext

    In the talk that I will give on Sunday October 17 (6 pm Central Mexico time) on Facebook live (https://www.facebook.com/akashaqueretaro) I will talk about the biological and chemical mechanisms by which various drugs work. One of them is budesonide, an inhaled anti-inflammatory, which has been shown in clinical studies to be effective both for patients with mild to moderate symptoms and for patients with severe symptoms.

    Budesonide is a local-acting corticosteroid, frequently used by the inhaled route by people with asthma and other chronic inflammatory respiratory conditions. It has been used for many years to treat these conditions, and its mechanism of action and side effects are well known (I recommend reading: https://medlineplus.gov/spanish/druginfo/meds/a699056-es.html). In April this year, the UK Government approved the use of inhaled Budesonide to treat COVID-19 symptoms, given the results of clinical studies with almost 2,000 people that showed high effectiveness (https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56717486).
    In the most recent study (by Yu and colleagues), published in The Lancet and that I shared the link at the beginning of this message, the results of a second study carried out in more than 2,500 people at high risk for COVID-19 are reported. It was found that the administration of 800 µg of budesonide twice a day for two weeks increased the time to recovery by almost 3 days, and that the possibility of dying in hospitalized patients decreased significantly (6.8% vs. 8.8% in the control group ) the recovery rate. Adverse effects were seen in two of the participants receiving budesonide and four of the participants receiving conventional treatment for COVID-19.

    As with any medication, the prescription of this product must be based on a thorough analysis of the patient's medical history and physical condition, but it is interesting to read these overwhelming results. It is a drug approved for human use for years, it is cheap, and easy to obtain.
    Why does it work? Simply because COVID-19 is a disease characterized by excessive inflammation and clotting problems due to endothelial damage. Budesonide has an important local anti-inflammatory action, which acts by activating glucocorticoid receptors in the cytoplasm of the epithelium of the lungs and prevents the production of the expression of “inflammatory” genes that are those that cause bronchoconstriction. You can read about this at: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK563201/

    There are various drugs and chemical substances that also have a powerful anti-inflammatory or immunomodulatory action, of which information and evidence of their action in patients with COVID-19 will be presented in subsequent posts.

    I hope this information is useful to you and I send you greetings. May you continue to enjoy your weekend! Karina AW

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  16. gorski

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    X, you really are doing harm with posting all that rubbish!!!

    Tracking people is ESSENTIAL, hence the mobile phone apps and teams tracking people!!!

    Testing, isolation and treatment must follow!

    Period!

    Now, stop yourself from such blatant nonsense!!!
     
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  17. RokkumanX

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    It's been quite some time since all this started and let me just start with that I have never had Covid-19/Corona and I'm not vaccinated and I have done numerous tests since I work in the health care section.

    I live in Sweden (which used to be a pretty good country in the past) and things have been going downhill for quite some time.

    But regarding Corona and vaccines, people have been starting to be kinda brainwashed and coming up with the craziest ideas. For example there is a senior citizen organization that demands that all personnel that works with elderly people should be vaccinated and those who are not vaccinated should either be vaccinated by force or redirected with other tasks.

    I get judged by these brainwashed Vaccine Nazis every single day at work to a point that I don't really give a damn in the end, the more you track me about it the more anti I get.

    It's easy to forget or deny that WW2 happened, but I get the feeling humanity is out on deep water here, because if you could be fired or redirected with other tasks for not being vaccinated then there is no saying what could be next.
    Unvaccinated Concentration Camps with the revived Dr. Mengele ready to give you a shot.

    This world frightens me of what humanity is capable of.
     
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  18. gorski

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    I agree with you on some points, namley that Sweden used to be one of the best countries in the world, not so long ago. Now, not so highly placed, sadly... I lived in Sweden, my first born was born in Stockholm.

    However, there are a number of points which are simply put - nonsense!

    In the UK, they did not vet the agency (replacement/additional) workers who were working in the elderly care sector. Moreover, they allowed the agency workers to work in different institutions and they were carrying the virus from one to the other - especially initially, when the pandemic started. I wrote about it here. They paid dearly - many with their lives. Many have not even been counted, because of testing failures.

    In Sweden your Gov/medical elite did something similar on the grand scale: for the comfort of the majority (carrying on as before, more or less) your government and health elite have sacrificed the elderly....

    So, factually, what you write is simply wrong on so many levels!
     
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  19. RokkumanX

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    It was a big mistake posting in this thread I can clearly see that.

    The only thing wrong here, is with me, a 36 year old unvaccinated bastard that should be put out of my misery as fast as possible.

    I look in the mirror and ask myself, WHAT IS AN UNVACCINATED LIFE WORTH?

    I hope I get a real bad form of cancer so I no longer need to live in this s**thole called planet earth.
     
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  20. vladnil

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    Stop being discouraged!
    The world is a very beautiful and interesting place.
    For example, look at Gorski, but here he is an amazing Fascist and probably a maniac with a ruined psyche.
    But there are many people who are reasonable and kind.
    And if there were no fascists, our life was dull and boring, like Paradise.
     
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