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  1. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    Hedge-betting...
     
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  2. gorski

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    @Yen, please have a look and tell me what you think...

    Utah C-19 hospitalisation rates by age: babies are by far the most hospitalised group...

    Utah C-19 hospitalisation of age groups.jpg
     
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    #3883 spanishfly, Jan 23, 2022
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    So much useful content here (at least for me)

    As of this week, my friends in Australia have the chance to get Novavax. It just got approval with 100% of the initial allotment of vaccine exclusively dedicated to the unvaccinated Australians.
    Several of the Australians (vaxxed and unvaxed) I know have had Omicron. For whatever reason--maybe because it's summer down there--Omicron was a big nothing! One of the unvaxxed felt a bit "funny" for a few hours. One of the double-dose Pfizer-BioNTech vaccinated people had a sore throat for two days.

    I will next read the papers you linked to for Valneva's adjuvants. If I was conspiratorial minded, I would wonder why the UK "spat the dummy" in Q4 2021 and cancelled their order for Valneva. It's probably no more complicated than that it's developed by French biotechnology company.
    I assume Valneva is also based on he original wuhan variant. ??

    Q1:
    Do you have corporate insight as to why none of the vaccine producers have updated from the original wuhan variant?
    I seem to recall the big "selling point" for these experimental vaccines was there touted "adaptable". They were presented as having a highly flexible production capability that would be able to rapidly respond to any mutations. My cynical self thinks there isn't any economic motivation for them to improve their product. All the worlds governments are buying wuhan vaccine 1.0 like it was candy, so why bother.

    Q2:
    [Edit] I asked the need for vaccination after developing natural immunity to Omicron for an unvaccinated person, but the truth doesn't really matter. The person asking lives in "fotress Australia", a country where vaccination is essentially a requirement for most employment. They'll soon exit the self-selected "control group" and get Novavax'd. At least it is Novavax!

    If anyone is wondering about getting vaxxed after having covid
    https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2101
    A large study in the UK and another that surveyed people internationally found that people with a history of SARS-CoV-2 infection experienced greater rates of side effects after vaccination. Among 2000 people who completed an online survey after vaccination, those with a history of covid-19 were 56% more likely to experience a severe side effect that required hospital care.

    Patrick Whelan, of UCLA, says the “sky high” antibodies after vaccination in people who were previously infected may have contributed to these systemic side effects. “Most people who were previously ill with covid-19 have antibodies against the spike protein. If they are subsequently vaccinated, those antibodies and the products of the vaccine can form what are called immune complexes,” he explains, which may get deposited in places like the joints, meninges, and even kidneys, creating symptoms.
     
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  5. gorski

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    @Yen, this morning on the BBC Radio 4 an expert dismissed the claims that viruses "must" mutate in the "milder" direction - "That was never a law!" or words to that effect...

    Omicron is not automatically to be taken as "milder" - in many, many cases it will be a serious illness... So, who wants to experiment on himself or his family?!?

    A warning is issued re. removing the measures too quickly, as mechanism of reporting was discussed critically...

    And so on and on... Nothing is quite as it may seem on a first glance...

    It vindicates what I claimed earlier, actually for a while now...

    "Logic, dear boy, logic..." :D
     
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  7. gorski

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    Perhaps we should make better, universal vaccine for the family of viruses (like the one US Army made) and do it, after all...?!?

    https://www.sltrib.com/news/2022/01...1PmFMkFKBBY-ybHyy7IPE9oNvGwT-RRLasgjQj_DEvFYM

     
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    America’s Frontline Doctors

     
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  11. gorski

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    Says a eugenicist...
     
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  12. Mr.X

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    You? Still around? On this super killer pandemic?
    Thought you were long gone, cowards go first. :D
     
  13. gorski

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    Stupidity and heroism aren't synonyms...
     
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    #3895 Yen, Jan 25, 2022
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    Utah C-19 hospitalisation rates by age: babies are by far the most hospitalised group...
    Yes, it's a relative per 100K. I mean how many babies 0-1 years are living there? If you have 10,000 babies at the age of 0-1 years there and one gets hospitalized you get already a value of 10.
    It's not significant for Omicron, it would show up at other places as well...so it is coincidental for the time being. Since it does not show elsewhere we'd have to know if there are more co-morbidities...and how many babies there really are living at the age 0-1.

    Valneva isn't a very transparent company. You mostly find news on their own site (bias)...I was not able to find papers published in medical journals like the competitors did.
    And their studies are much less powered (N far below 10,000)...remember the difference of RRR and ARR that Pfizer even had a low number of infections out of >40,000
    I did not find if it's the wuhan-hu strain, but I think so. (They would have advertised that as 'innovation' if it's a newer variant). The Indian competitor Covaxin has the inactivated virus with the D614G mutation in it.
    I only found which adjuvants and their inactivation (also classical using beta-Propiolactone)

    And yes I think so, too. They did not update the vaccines because the govts all over the world had pre-ordered a huge volume, they would get their money either way without extra efforts.
    I mean if you'd have pre-orders of high volumes of old crap why would you want to make new vaccines?
    The CEO of BioNTech bragged that they can update the vaccine within 6 weeks and EVEN that should be a major advantage of mRNA vaccines.
    To vaccinate this old stuff EVEN when already naturally recovered from a more recent variant is pure insanity.

    Yes this was never law and it's absolutely different to the law. SARS-COV1 and MERS had not the ability to follow that evolutionary direction and had to pay that with their extinction.
    The law describes that a virus has to raise R0 in order to survive and BY that it becomes less virulent! And that is the most evolutionary benefit.
    SARS and MERS were too virulent per se and could not even spread that far! So their extinction was inevitable.

    The very first news we heard about Omicon were that is it much more contagious and only THEN it MUST.....

    It describes the anti proportionality of contagion and virulence (dangerousness) in the evolutionary process to become endemic (another brother so to say) not what you posted here!
    And when you describe a process of evolution / evolutionary direction it does not mean that there won't be a temporary population that does not follow that evolution, but it means then their extinction.

    Here the details!:https://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/coronavirus-discussion.81224/page-178#post-1710414
    OK I posted rule there..not law...
     
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  15. vladnil

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    https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...on-emerges-in-cyprus/articleshow/88800316.cms

    A new virus has appeared - DeltaCron.

    Are they going to make up names for viruses forever?
    And no one has seen the strain of the first virus for more than 2 years, but only the 3D model of the virus?

    And Bill Gates has already come up with the announcement that the world is in for an even worse virus, we need to go beyond mRNA to vaccinate the world.
    I still don't understand which ones?
    You mean injecting the dna of jaschurs and all sorts of animals?
    One thing is clear Bill hasn't thought of a name for the scary virus yet.
    is waiting for DeltaCron.

    In general, hamsters are being killed en masse in China as spreaders of HOMYACRON
    And in Greece, DeltaCrons.
     
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    #3897 Yen, Jan 25, 2022
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    #3898 spanishfly, Jan 25, 2022
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    Either we've been too harsh or the Scrooge McDuck money vault at Pfizer (they are seemingly the world-wide vaccine winner) is packed to the ceiling. [​IMG]
    So either they spend some of it or they need to get a bigger vault!
    [​IMG]
    Propaganda source:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...086b55f081504e#block-61efea778f086b55f081504e
    "Still, some scientists question whether any change is currently needed."
    This is why you can't quite trust a report that includes "some people said". Before Fox "News" this was a news-journalist no-no. Now everything that gets clicks is fair game!

    https://www.reuters.com/business/he...al-omicron-targeted-covid-vaccine-2022-01-25/
    [EDIT]
    I just looked again at the "some scientist say", Dr. Paul Offit, in the reuters.com link
    "The goal of this vaccine is to protect against serious illness,"
    He's right, but that's a very crappy goal!

    It's a great starting point, but why don't they aim for a true vaccine that protects you more completely from getting the "illness" and protects you from spreading it.

    Maybe this is impossible with a spike virus.

    Plus, if they did that, then they could handle all the other cold viruses as well and then who'e going to buy all thier crappy symptom treating chemistry? All the factories churning out metric mega-tons of cold treatments going dormant would probably tank the world-wide economy. Plus, people probably don't want that either. How can you "call in sick" when no ones getting real colds to cover for your fake sick-day?
     
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  18. gorski

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    Well done, Yen, you have just jumped into your own stomach with both feet and flatly denied what you claimed earlier... What a neat trick!
     
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    https://swprs.org/professor-ehud-qimron-ministry-of-health-its-time-to-admit-failure/

    https://www.mako.co.il/news-columns/2022_q1/Article-dfd99ca599e2e71026.htm

    Professor Ehud Kimron, head of the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at Tel Aviv University and one of Israel's leading immunologists, wrote an open letter harshly criticizing Israeli and global management of the coronavirus pandemic.

    He described that the truth will always be revealed, 2 years of deception!
    the greases are infecting people, not curing them!
     
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