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  1. case-sensitive

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    Nope . Its missing mental capacity in both of you . Its because of your ignorance that you cant follow or understand the conversation . And AGAIN your trying to use your ignorance as a proof = what you keep saying is ............ If you cant understand it must be false . And that explains your permanent attention seeking and feeble nursery school atempts to position yourselves in the middle .
     
  2. gorski

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    Maybe if you weren't on mind-altering drugs I might have taken this with a grain of salt... As things stand, nothing coming from you surprises me any longer....
     
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  3. Mr.X

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    Look who's talking........................ @ smart-sensitive came to enlighten us :D
     
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  5. Mr.X

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  6. case-sensitive

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    Get back on topic and stop posting infantile crap .
     
  7. Mr.X

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    Outcomes of the COVID-19 infection in people previously vaccinated against influenza: a population-based cohort study with primary health care electronic records
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36265160/
     
  8. MS_User

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    the CACA continues....PEOPLE GET VACCINATED STOP BEING SO GULLIBLE!!!!!
     
  9. Yen

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    #4569 Yen, Oct 28, 2022
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    You obviously cannot distinguish English grammar (has lost and will ) and the difference between my way I posted science and 'science'.
    If you had read the article I have posted (Institute for Scientific Freedom), you'd know what I am talking about.

    Besides of that you know exactly what I mean.
    'Science' (by PFizer and co.) was applied to get the vaccines authorised. The trusted news initiative was founded that ANY scientific voice that would question the vaccines gets censored. BJM article to Suckerberg, also at that post.

    Before you quote myself and get it out of context I suggest to read the sources of the posts from 'where' my saying is derived. Science will..as new data evolves. This process takes time to put the vaccines right.

    Yeah...at best go on and take that 50% impure stuff from Pfizer. Only a Guinea pig would take the 'new' vaccines which have been tested at mice only.

    Thank god only 4% of the population is interested in that out of scope of science product.
     
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  11. MS_User

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    #4571 MS_User, Oct 28, 2022
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    i dont know what impurity your talking about...i taken all my vaccines with all the boosters including my family... and not one issues everyone is healthy and no one die so i let that speak for itself and the best part nobody in my family got covid ;)
     
  12. Yen

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    #4572 Yen, Oct 28, 2022
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    No, but I am free of any conflict of interest.
    Those 'entities' are not.
    And I am talking about my profession (Preclinical research). I posted that to 'say' that the idea of science of ("Institute for Scientific Freedom") is the same as my idea (and it always has been since 25 years and more).

    It's actually quite simple. :)
    Just ignore anything personal that is coming from me and read the sources I am posting here.

    Then tell me whether those entities do INFORM you with the same content..or not (AKA do hide them).;)
    It starts with picking 'new' variants randomly to spread further fear (while there are tons of other variants) and ends with the Pfizer hearing at the EP...


    I know that you don't know.
    Pfizer lowered the specifications themselves:
    Coronavirus | Discussion | Page 226 | My Digital Life Forums

    When you buy stuff that is impure, not anybody gets issues...but that is not the point. They put you at risk...
     
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  13. Mr.X

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  14. gorski

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    Look, this is getting ridiculously tribal!

    Yes, Yen, some of your sources (like that Buddhist "scientist") were way too "out there", "far out, man" with their "take" on whether this was an epidemic or not!

    Not only him, of course - but there's your example that puts your sources in question. You choose your sources, Yen. You have an "interest", one way or another. Anything else is disingenuous... The case in point: Sweden.

    Partial "evidence" comes from the Biblical: "Ye shall find where ye shall seek!" If you are hell-bent on finding something - you will "produce the evidence", one way or another...
     
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  15. Yen

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    #4575 Yen, Oct 29, 2022
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    Of course I do have an interest. To get a complete picture of the pandemic. And that's the studies' very purpose, the reason why they are made! I do not 'choose' in the way that I deliberately leave out studies. I 'choose' as they come and post a link here.
    I mean why are we here at this thread at all? Everybody can do so. If you mean the sources I post are one-sided then add the other side, please!

    And you seem to 'suggest' that the result / content of the studies / sources / their scientific value would change because I 'choose' and post them here. Only a fool would believe that. I am no author of those!
    There is personal assessment / opinion on one side and there are the sources on the other. This applies to all of us.


    So I go on. To get another piece to complete the picture...;) leaving my opinion out.:)
    Two mores studies. One about real fatality rate prior to vaccines and one about the booster in the UK.

    The assessment of the Imperial College COVID-19 response team on the IFR (InfectionFatalityRate) on March 2020
    Source: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/im...-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

    Now the study about. (Still a preprint) https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.11.22280963v1

    2nd study: Also interesting it's about the UK population. (You can see it assigns benefit to the booster! Also interesting is that vulnerabilities do not vanish.)

    "Severe COVID-19 outcomes after full vaccination of primary schedule and initial boosters: pooled analysis of national prospective cohort studies of 30 million individuals in England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales"
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)01656-7/fulltext

    It's about boosted people in the UK. There was first and second shot either AZ or Pfizer. First booster either Pfizer or Moderna. This was the vaxx plan in the UK.

    This means.
    The booster in the UK reduced the severe outcome from 0.4% to 0.2% within a time frame of 10 weeks. The risk of severe outcome reduced from 8.8 to 7.6 events per 1000 person years.(Person years= The length of time of exposure of a group of people who have been observed for varying periods of time. It is the sum of the number of years each person has been exposed, observed or at risk.)

    And now they compared 2 boosted groups each and determined the adjustedRateRatio aRR (to get severe).
    1. Older people (>=80y) to younger (18-49y) 3.60
    2. >=5 comorbidities to none 9.51
    3. being male to being female 1.23
    4. individuals receiving immunosuppressants to 'are not receiving' 5.80
    5. with chronic kidney disease to without 3.71
    6. Individuals with a history of COVID-19 infection were at reduced risk (infected ≥9 months before booster dose vs no previous infection; aRR 0.41

    How to read that?
    For instance if you are male and boosted you still have a 1.23 fold more chance to get severe than a boosted female.
    When you are boosted and have 5 or more comobrbities still a 9.51 fold more risk compared to no comorbidities.
    and so on...
    What's interesting, too.
    When you are boosted and get a natural infection ≥9 months before booster it reduces the risk to get severe 0.41 fold compared to only boosted.

    And Moderna as the booster is better here than Pfizer. 0.54 vs. 0.80
     
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  16. gorski

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    No, Yen, such is the meaning of "disingenuous"... You are pushing decidedly one-sidedly, in a biased manner, towards your guru's "This way!" command!!!

    And no, one aspect of a phenomenon can not be portrayed as the whole phenomenon. Fallacia fictae universalitatis, from high school Logics...

    Also Post hoc, ergo propter hoc - jumping to conclusions despite the fact we do not have all the evidence or sufficient evidence to conclude causality! How could you - you can not experiment on Humans, to have a baseline and then try out all manner of potentially deadly or damaging experiments on Humans! Stop pretending like ANYONE (not just you) has done that kind of an "experiment"! Ergo, your conclusions are leaping forth with 7-mile boots, despite the fact that the numbers involved in your highly speculative conclusions are minuscule by comparison to the ones showing clear benefits of vaccinations for a great, huge majority of the population!!!
     
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  17. Mr.X

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    #4577 Mr.X, Oct 29, 2022
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    Layman's words for anyone out there can understand covid vaccines' adverse events in a nutshell:

    • People is different even in their bodies and hence their biochemistry
    • Many people (vast majority?) haven't suffered adverse events
    • Some people (low numbers compared to global population but more compared to previous vaccines' technologies) have suffered adverse events.
    NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO SUFFER ADVERSE EVENTS, NEVERTHELESS, THE RISK IS THERE!!!!
    • COVID'S GRAVITY / LETHALITY AREN'T WORTH THE RISK OF ADVERSE EVENTS DUE TO COVID VACCINES!!!!
     
  18. case-sensitive

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    >THE RISK IS THERE!

    Risks are relative ? .......... Theoreticaly theres a risk that the daleks will unite with the borg and invade us !!!!!!!!
     
  19. Dark Knight

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    #4579 Dark Knight, Oct 29, 2022
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    Listen ,
    I've known people who have taken the vaccine's and all the boosters and have not gotten COVID, but I also know people who have taken the vaccine's and all boosters and have gotten COVID , some even got COVID more than once

    I also know people who have not taken any vaccine at all and never gotten COVID , and some that have gotten COVID , again, more than once.

    Who is to say who is right and who is wrong? certainly no one in this thread, it is a personal choice.
    For those that want to stand on their soap box and yell and scream at those of us that do not want the vaccine ...... I really don't give a s**t, you can spew your self righteous crap all you want, knock yourself out.

    I am 59 years old, I have not taken the vaccine and do not ever plan on doing so, just as I have never taken a flu shot, yet have only gotten the flu once in my entire life and I lived.
    Two years into COVID and I just got it a few months ago ..... it's not the end of the world , not even half as bad as the flu, and yes , I am still alive and kicking .

    If you want the vaccine , go ahead and take it, if you don't then don't. But if you do , don't get all self righteous with me and act like your doing mankind a big favor because your not, because if COVID ever mutates into something with a 80% plus kill rate , there isn't a vaccine that is going to help you and a LARGE portion of the population will die before they can even get one.

    There is something to be said about the kid that eats dirt growing up versus the kid that lived in a glass bubble. If you grew up outdoors and interacted with others and played in the dirt , chances are you have a strong immune system, our bodies can fight a lot of things off , today's generation that was raised on the living room couch with XBOX and Playstation who's only friends are on World of Warcraft .... yeah ....... you might want the vaccine
     
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