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  1. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    For clarity: Yen is right, as far as privately owned corps are concerned. I am certainly not against investigating every aspect of it! But I would be a little more careful about it...

    It looks like this to me...

    First, it was https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9776239/ i.e. Merck and SV40 and carcinomas and Maurice Hilleman finding them in polio vaccine Merck made and hundreds of millions of people got it and he/they did not tell the public and about importing multiply infected monkeys into US and mixing up those viruses in small rooms where they were kept, without much quarantine and now...

    Opportunity maketh a thief... well, a sociopath...

    These a-holes are creating a very rich and fertile ground for conspiracy theories...

    Well, because they are conspiratorial in their sociopathy and stupidity!!! The main point is: Capitalism breeds sociopathy (see "The Corporation" I and II on YouTube, they are fully available there!), in pursuit of ever more riches, ever more profit, where health is but a commodity and so... Have a good listen. Try to read the transcript of the tape where Hilleman describes what they did back in the day...

    These things ought to be taught in school, in "Ethics"!!! Legislation ought to put a stop to this, together with gov funded independent oversight committees and always more than one such body, so they keep each other on their toes and more, much more.... OR ELSE!!!



    Damn, if true!!!
    Thomas Massie
    https://www.pfizer.com/news/announcements/pfizer-responds-research-claims

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  2. Yen

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  3. gorski

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    On the other hand...

    "Meanwhile, the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) continues to insist on adhering to an extremely narrow definition of #COVID19 deaths, releasing figures which are acknowledged to be vast undercounts..."

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/02/07/bgtl-f07.html

    "Estimate by Airfinity places COVID-19 deaths in China over 1.3 million
    Benjamin Mateus


    According to the UK-based predictive health analytics company Airfinity, as of February 6, 2023, the estimated cumulative deaths from COVID-19 in China since December 1, 2022, have reached 1.3 million. In just over two months, pandemic fatalities in China have surpassed the figure for official deaths in the US since the pandemic began three years ago. The US toll stands at 1.13 million, with close to 500 people dying each day.

    Meanwhile, the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) continues to insist on adhering to an extremely narrow definition of COVID-19 deaths, releasing figures which are acknowledged to be vast undercounts by every reputable scientific body with their wide experience in the behavior of the coronavirus, including its latest iteration of Omicron.

    Reuters noted on February 4, 2023, that Chinese health officials reported that between January 27 and February 2, only 3,278 COVID-related in-hospital deaths had occurred. And among these deaths, only 131 deaths were related to respiratory failures, bringing the cumulative tally since December 8 to 82,238.

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    People look after their elderly relatives receiving medical treatment at an emergency hall of a hospital in Beijing, Saturday, January 7, 2023. [AP Photo/Andy Wong]


    Since China officially lifted its Zero-COVID policy on December 7, a tsunami of infections has washed across the country. Government officials called it the exit wave, expressing the hope that the country would emerge from the “dynamic” public health efforts it had mounted to protect the lives and well-being of its population.

    It was the unrelenting pressures imposed by global finance capital to bring online its economic engines, and not protests by a mere several hundred university students decrying the infractions on their liberties by the Zero-COVID policy, that were decisive in the about-face.

    Given the popularity of the Zero-COVID policy among the Chinese working class, officials sought to assure them that Omicron was truly mild, a lie perpetrated by every other national government that used the highly contagious and deadly strain to carry out a strategy for mass infection and an end to pandemic restrictions.

    The new policy in China required a complete cover-up of the real toll in terms of excess deaths that the population was forced to accept in the bureaucracy’s deal with the West. This was exemplified by China’s Vice Premier Liu He’s address to the billionaires at the World Economic Forum in Davos, proclaiming that China was open for business again.

    As the report noted, there are about 1,700 members distributed almost equally between the two institutions. Although the obituaries didn’t specify the exact cause of death other than “illness,” there was an appreciable jump in deaths during the surge weeks compared to previous months (during Zero COVID) on the order of more than five-fold higher. In total 40 scholars and scientists—molecular biologists, nuclear physicists, wildlife scientists, etc.—perished in the two months straddling the New Year when previously on average about three died per month.

    The Times report added, “The data drawn from the obituaries are far from conclusive … still, obituaries published by other institutions showed similar spikes in late December and early January. From 2019 to 2021, the Harbin Institute of Technology, one of the top engineering schools in the world, had published between one and three obituaries for professors and staff members in those months. Between December and last month, it announced 29 deaths.”"
     
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  4. Yen

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    #4724 Yen, Feb 8, 2023
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    Yeah well, data from China....*cough*... not even some westerners are / were able to count properly.

    I rather focus on scientific findings.:)
    Do you remember my concerns about molnupiravir?
    Guess what?
    The last sentence turns out to be true, except the little end! :D

    "As result there is a viral mutation which causes the new virus TO BE EVENTUALLY MORE VIRULENT AND DANGEROUS"

    Identification of a molnupiravir-associated mutational signature in SARS-CoV-2 sequencing databases | medRxiv
    Antiviral treatments lead to the rapid accrual of hundreds of SARS-CoV-2 mutations in immunocompromised patients | medRxiv
    Could a popular COVID-19 antiviral supercharge the pandemic? | Science | AAAS

    Simplified. The virus mutates systemically (G to A and C to U exchange) NOT epidemiological in those taking Molnupiravir to a potentially more dangerous variant and potentially 'supercharges it'...

    Yeah well, it is no wonder that a drug which is designed to CAUSE mutations by delivering fake material at viral replication (to RdRp) can also lead to more potent copies rather than to 'disabled' copies.
    This is playing with fire!

    Molnupiravir should also be withdrawn immediately!
    It could cause variants which will be more dangerous again!!!
    And besides of that, it does not work either.

    Here another 'signal' why the vaccines must disappear (NIH study)
    Study confirms link between COVID-19 vaccination and temporary increase in menstrual cycle length | National Institutes of Health (NIH)
    If one should say hmmm it's nothing serious...well, the entire human reproduction system is behind that. Fact is those vaccines must not do that nor was it expected!

    OK, and some 'other' news.
    Maybe a future vaccine. And guess what..it's a nasal vaccine
    This also belongs to "Learning from India" as I titled a post above...

    Immunogenicity and Tolerability of BBV154 (iNCOVACC®), an Intranasal SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine, Compared with Intramuscular Covaxin® in Healthy Adults: A Randomised, Open-Label, Phase 3 Clinical Trial by Chandramani Singh, Savita Verma, Prabhakar Reddy, Michael S. Diamond, David T. Curiel, Chintan Patel, Manish Kumar Jain, Sagar Vivek Redkar, Amit Suresh Bhate, Vivek Gundappa, Rambabu Konatham, Leelabati Toppo, Aniket Chandrakant Joshi, Jitendra Singh Kushwah, Ajit Pratap Singh, Shilpa Gaidhane, Krishna Mohan Vadrevu, BBV154 Study Group :: SSRN

    Why do I post all those sources. Well, they confirm my intuition. But what's far more important to me. I understood the mechanisms correctly and categorized their meaning properly and rightly.
    I never was good / convinced with the i.m. vaccines nor with Molnupiravir and I pleaded if there's a future for COVID vaccines, then nasal ones...:)
     
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  5. gorski

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    Ursula von der Leyen sued by New York Times over refusal to disclose Pfizer boss texts
    US newspaper will argue the European Commission president broke EU rules by withholding the correspondence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...-sued-new-york-times-refusal-disclose-pfizer/

    Glad to see this happen and I hope those SMS are made public and von der Leyen will lose her job over this, alongside a hefty fine.
    Whatever the subject of trade is - how can it be, that private SMS are a right means of negotiating a multi-million dollar deal with public EU money... ?!
    The little EU civilian must not make cash payments above 10.000 EUR (preventing money laundering lol), but her highness von der Leyen can just write some SMS and later delete them and no one from EU officials thinks this is wrong, especially concerning such vast sums?!
     
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  7. Opulent_Maelstrom

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    Oddly enough only one report so far but still the evidence is there

    Ocular Surface Erosion after Suspected Exposure to Evaporated COVID-19 Vaccine
    karger.com/Article/FullText/520500
     
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  9. gorski

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    It's much worse than that, it seems:

    Since Ursula @vonderleyen
    speaks of 'traditions' in backing #NATO's war on #Russia, let's look at her own family traditions, embedded in the #German aristocracy and its participation in the #Nazi regime. https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/02/17/ukraine-hawk-who-heads-european-commission-has-a-nazi-pedigree-she-does-not-want-you-to-know-about/

    So, PhD not "earned", jobs and positions in those machines not earned, deals made in those jobs highly questionable, as are many of her connections, family and otherwise but...

    AFA the SMS fiasco: how come no one thought of the fact that by law the providers must keep those on record, despite the fact she may have deleted them on her phone OR that her interlocutors still may have them?!?

    One law for us prols and quite another for *them*. Capitalism regressing/turned back into Feudalism! Time to skin it alive, like it skinned Feudalism alive - and rightly so!!!
     
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  10. R29k

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    >One law for us prols and quite another for *them*. Capitalism regressing/turned back into Feudalism! Time to skin it alive, like it skinned Feudalism alive - and rightly so!!!

    I would like to sugest a new forum section for morons .......... for threads like trhis .......... where the footfolk / slaves can continue to happily sabotage themselves and the whole of society ............... by playing divide and rule ......... and ...... bread and games ................ doing the capitalist diry work for them ............. who needs dictators .......... and harsh measures .......... and control ........... and force ............. when the slaves f**k themselves ......... and as one sees in this thread .......... slaves celebrating themselves sabotaging themselves .......... scoring ego points spreading backward s**t
     
  12. gorski

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    Wrong drugs, m8... again... you had much better ones.... go back to those, please... Much nicer for the old nerves...
     
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  13. gorski

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    According to The Economist, there are now 20.5 million excess deaths attributable to the pandemic. At present, there are over 10,000 excess deaths globally each day, making COVID-19 the world’s third-leading cause of death. In the European Union countries, excess deaths in December were 19 percent higher than before the pandemic, with Germany experiencing the highest increase at 37 percent.

    https://t.co/COhWPehidT

    A view from the other side of the political spectrum...
     
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  14. Laser Video Tube

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    Unfortunately, COVID-19 lost all reasons to wreak any more havoc… so it's time for the WHO to consider that pandemical disease for eradication!
     
  15. Dark Knight

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    The COVID death numbers are not and never have been accurate.
    It is a known fact that people that have died from other things while having or after having COVID but COVID not being a contributing factor have had their deaths listed as having died from COVID, so the numbers are skewed and are not as ; "staggering" as one may think.

    Hospitals and doctors have been known to do this because the more they list people as having died from COVID the fatter the government check.
     
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  16. Opulent_Maelstrom

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    Be careful of what you post otherwise @Yen will consider you as conspiranoid spamming yellow press on this thread if such info isn't based on scientific evidence.
    That's what I was told and honestly there are others here freely posting quite yellow things and not being moderated.
     
  17. Dark Knight

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    I don't give a rats furry ass. The virus was created and set loose in the Wuhan lab China, in an attempt at world domination by the Chinese which Fau-Xi contributed to and covered it up. Now they all have something for their heads to explode on.
     
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  18. MS_User

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    #4738 MS_User, Mar 1, 2023
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    how do you know that 100% are you in the intelligence business....where you physically their at the lab when they release the vitus...
     
  19. MS_User

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    thats because everything you have posted here is fake garbage....could that be the reason:rolleyes:
     
  20. Opulent_Maelstrom

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    #4740 Opulent_Maelstrom, Mar 1, 2023
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    Are these manners correct and allowed in this forum?
    This is called aggression on many worlds in this galaxy.