1. Yanta

    Yanta MDL Senior Member

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    Being "up to date" as in to the minute, is no longer a sensible move. Since the advent of Windows 8 and Microsoft reinventing themselves and farming testing out to Joe average (actually I should say dumping all forms of worthwhile testing completely), installing the latest feature update with its CUs is just asking for trouble. 1903 is still not "ready for business" 5 months after it's release. Bugs are still being reported every few days.

    You also have to ask yourself - is there anything new and compelling in 1903 that makes upgrading (bugs aside), worthwhile. Not as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't have upgraded to 1809 but that 1709 is shortly our of support. There is not one new 1809 feature that I've not removed or disabled. As long as I can run the Windows programs of my choice (and yes, some dos commands), then I'm happy.

    1809 on the other hand is up to date. There are fewer bugs, and what's removed stays removed. Sure there are some bugs that affect multiple W10 versions, but 1903 is yet another unmitigated disaster at this stage.

    If neither NTLite or @MSMG can figure out how to keep removed junk from being re-installed, then you're going to be right as upgrading would be a waste of time. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what miracles @MSMG can come up with; despite Microsoft's efforts to keep our systems bogged down with resource hogging, flaky, telemetry riddled garbage

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  2. rayleigh_otter

    rayleigh_otter MDL Expert

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    You cant beat a mature product. Intel 14nm v AMD 7nm, latest isnt always better if it is having problems.
     
  3. boyonthebus

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    This statement makes no sense in my opinion. I am always up to date. I make sure of it. I am not only speaking of Windows, and I am running as my main drive 18975, but all software.
     
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  4. coleoptere2007

    coleoptere2007 MDL Guru

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    I can't integrate DaRT in Windows 10 version 1903 updated August 2019 => can't find the related file in Packs\DaRT\W10 folder. However the file is in ???. And Remove components is not supported with this version of Windows
     
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  6. hoxlund

    hoxlund MDL Member

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    read the readme. says to disable antivirus
     
  7. hoxlund

    hoxlund MDL Member

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    skimmed last few days of responses. haven't seen any that address the MS Edge thing. It stays even though I told it to remove. even customized iso from scratch twice to make sure I seleted it during removal process.

    My guess, Edge can no longer be removed?
     
  8. Ace2

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    C:\ToolKitHelper.exe C:\mount Edge ;)

     
  9. bababafasdfggg

    bababafasdfggg MDL Junior Member

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    Is there any info about all stuff i can remove explained?
    so i will know what to remove or not?
     
  10. intro

    intro MDL Member

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    What issues does 1903 have? I have never had an issue and I remove more than most people.
     
  11. biatche

    biatche MDL Addicted

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    Interesting notes from you, what are the seriously broken stuff in 1903 atm, able to share?
     
  12. MSMG

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    #12232 MSMG, Sep 9, 2019
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    Just didn't wanted to let down any one using the older versions and more over the 90% of removal code is same for the current version and the previous one, also the previous version contains an LTSC edition which is widely used by many compared to the recent one.

    Yes sometimes I do think of supporting only the current released version instead of all the previous versions so that the list contains only three

    Windows 7 SP1
    Windows 8.1
    Windows 10 (Latest Released Build)

    Thanks for the suggestion, will think about it and will take decision.

     
  13. MSMG

    MSMG MDL Developer

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    Pack files structure has been changed, you need to download them from the download link to <Packs\Dart\w10> folder

    Code:
    Dart_en-US.tpk
    Dart.tpk
    DebugTools_10.0.18362.tpk
    
    Remove components only supports v1903 (10.0.18362.1 and 10.0.18362.30) builds.

     
  14. MSMG

    MSMG MDL Developer

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    Do you see the Edge here

    https://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/msmg-toolkit.50572/page-602#post-1545340

    Remember integrating updates or using the WU will restore the removed components for v1903

     
  15. hoxlund

    hoxlund MDL Member

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    damn that explains it, thanks. i did integrate .329 using msmg. thanks. ahh well. i suppose our school district will have MS edge. hate that garbage

    totally forgot that that s**t comes back after an update
     
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  19. Yanta

    Yanta MDL Senior Member

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    OS and software developers no longer perform the rigorous testing they did a decade ago. It is now a normal thing to see software patches break something. This includes driver updates. I never roll out any software, driver or OS update to production PCs as soon as they are released because of that high likelihood of issues. Everything goes through my Test PC first. That way I can minimize downtime.

    But lack of quality control is not the only issue. Software vendors love to change things. Rarely are they in the customers best interests, or what the customers have been asking for. It's what maximizes their profit, or gathers them the most telemetry data. Mozilla is a great example of this. Changing their browser engine and API support constantly, as well as the UI, continually breaking websites, add-ons, themes and everything else. In the last 3 years FireFox and Thunderbird have been broken 5 times and twice respectively.

    Then you have the learning curve when things change as things that people were used to no longer work.

    I agree that we need to stay up to date to cover for security vulnerabilities, but we should (IMHO), approach updating anything with caution. I have 10 PCs to support (I know, it's a drop in the ocean), but I learned the hard way.... Never enable auto update on anything. It will consistently cause grief.