1. Igor147

    Igor147 MDL Member

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    He's probably about Windows Media Player.
    At LTSC edition "N" Windows Media Player is missing.

    If so, you can uninstall Windows Media Player.
     
  2. inTerActionVRI

    inTerActionVRI MDL Expert

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  3. ingviowarr

    ingviowarr MDL Senior Member

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    #16623 ingviowarr, Oct 5, 2020
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    I never removed "Desktop App Installer", even in the most min. config I tried ever.
    At least, last time I tried on STOCK Windows, without any modifications (original image). I'm also can't imagine what happens.

    Did you tried WT on you own W10? Which build you are using? Even on modified ISO it should install successfully using PowerShell.
    But interesting whether you have issues with launching *.exe, same as me or not.
     
  4. inTerActionVRI

    inTerActionVRI MDL Expert

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    Recently I am using 1909 18363.1082. It is very stable for the work PC.

    It started to increase the movement at work and, I'm kind of out of time to be a tester.

    On the gamer PCs of some friends and family that installed the 20H1 and 20H2 versions, we had problems, including untouched isos. For now, we decided to stay at 19H2. Microsoft is making very aggressive changes and, in my view, this proves to be an unstable stage. I rate it from the point of view of a linux beta and alpha tester user. Similarly considering the update cycles, status update protocols (alpha (unstable = SID) to beta (testing) and beta to stable) and currently, I see how Microsoft is similar in this regard. With reassurance ... Because the version considered unstable I have it as testing. And, Insider Preview as ultra-unstable as it is.
    So I ask myself: If the 19H2 version is stable, where's the testing version that should have been released instead of 2004 as stable? 2004 when it was released was unstable. Currently that 2004 is evolving to testing and then it could be quoted to become 20H2. And this 20H2, when more mature, quoted to 21H1. But who am I to determine something, right? hehehehe

    I'm not going to go deeper ... Just check out some new functionality and watch when it comes out in a version considered stable.

    In the current protocol, it can be said that a stage is burned transcending the unstable to stable.

    From my point of view, Microsoft has to improve the stage identification protocols. They are running over everything in favor of Marketing. The advertisements for the new features are very top, make the eyes shine, but major changes have to be implemented in shorter steps.

    Remembering, it's just my opinion. It is a speculation based on what I have been observing empirically over time, from Vista to 10.
     
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  5. AeonX

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    #16625 AeonX, Oct 5, 2020
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    For me 20H1/H2 are builds to be skipped. 21H1/H2 is a promising build and may even be the next LTSC.
     
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  6. AeonX

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  7. Tiger-1

    Tiger-1 MDL Guru

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    hello AeonX
    hmm if things continue this way; I'm seeing myself again in open source ...
     
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  8. AeonX

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    Hi Tiger I'm finally going to leave LTSB 2016 and go to LTSC 2019 :) because of my new video card.
    I don't see any major improvements in the new builds and the new features of directx 12 will take time to appear in games.

    I would like to go to Win8.1 but there are some games that I really want to play that require Windows 10.

    And as soon as I can I will dual boot my PC with Kubuntu :)
     
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  9. Tiger-1

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    #16630 Tiger-1, Oct 5, 2020
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    wow friend hehe i remember well that you loved LTSB 2016 and it took a long time to "go up" to LTSC 2019, I'm still happy for the new video card congratulations well on games that only work on Windows 10 I think it's relative because see a example I run 3D Pinball on any Windows version without modifying anything although each case is different and finally I think that we will cross the antennas through the open source is not even because the world is small LOL :D:p
     
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  10. RaXorX

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    As Igor147 said, and as you said Non N iso has media feature pack inbuilt into the iso. Even if I remove it, the space it requires doesn't really get cleared up for some reason. Although it's not much of a space, just a couple hundred mbs, was just considering it for aesthetics if i could just remove the package altogether. I guess not maybe. Like, in the past in MSMG there was an option to completely remove IE. It wasn't removed from the features list but, it was removed in such a way I couldn't really install IE back (which, in fact wasn't really a good thing though lol) or use anything that required IE (since IE is like a webview in Windows and thus required by products like adobe cc app to view the login page)
     
  11. Igor147

    Igor147 MDL Member

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    Something I didn't quite understand ...
     
  12. ingviowarr

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    #16633 ingviowarr, Oct 5, 2020
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    One experienced specialist and pretty known modder answer to me that such problems with apps happen when app installed offline.
    Once installed, the app must make a connection to Internet (at least only once).
    After going online and disconnecting you may install/uninstall offline this app as any times as you want. This is by M$ design..........

    WTF M$ doing, hah...?!!!!!!!!

    Is there any workaround for this s**t, to make installing+launching .appxbundles & .appx possible over TRUE offline w/o errors?
    (When machine will not have online connection for a long time and/or all M$-servers are firewalled?)

    The only method I discovered is:
    1) Installing using PowerShell
    2) Fixing App's folder permission manually - adding your Admin user with all permissions
     
  13. gdeliana

    gdeliana MDL Senior Member

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    Very nice analysis. Anyway for me Microsoft ceased to create quality software since year 2010 :D

    Last noble windows version is Windows 7 ... FULL POINT

     
  14. Enthousiast

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    Win 7 is hardly capable to service itself and not capable of servicing more current OSs, most current hardware and software does not support 7 anymore.
     
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    #16636 ingviowarr, Oct 6, 2020
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    @MSMG - My suggestion about improving UI a bit (you may not agree, it's OK)
    For a newcomers, I think, it would be more clear (for me too, as well)

    [8] Tools -> [1] WIM Manager -> [C] Delete


    move to the Main menu:

    [0] WIM Manager : Delete unnecessary Windows Editions

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    On MSMG v10.7 beta I've tried to delete a several editions at once (e.g.: 1,3,4,5) and I've got a hard closing.
    Then I've launched a program again and deleted one by one, as usual (no errors).
     
  16. AeonX

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    Most games still run on any Windows because the games include support for both DirectX 11 and 12. But games developed on DX12 only will only run on Windows 10 like Horizon Zero Dawn and Forza Horizon 4. This is part of the strategy from Microsoft to force everyone to use the latest version of Windows. If all games adopted Vulkan it would be possible to run the games on any OS including Linux.
     
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  17. ingviowarr

    ingviowarr MDL Senior Member

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    Windows strategy will not make any difference if:

    1) Linux will start provide a satisfactory drivers for any more-less workable HW (10 years old or so).
    2) A big vendors like Adobe, Autodesk, etc. will start looking at Linux side
    3) If users will start feel they can move to Linux in regular work, producing real projects using "hard" soft suites.

    But Linux have to make smth. new and really georious at 1-st time in their long era.
    For example, an easy way to run any Windows "big software" on Linux.
    Then era of "big software" will come on Linux natively.

    Then M$ die. I wish they die from deep of my heart, as soon as possible.
     
  18. MSMG

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    Multiple index removal in WIM Manager is not added since it's a tricky thing, say you want to delete 1,3,4,5 when you delete index 1 then 3 won't be the 3 as 3 will be 2 now, so it needs more careful methods to detect the index number each time.

     
  19. ingviowarr

    ingviowarr MDL Senior Member

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    I don't think so. Because one screen - one attempt: every time the screen refreshes after input and changes a numbers for the next step.
    I.e. what you exactly see - that you input correspondingly. Spreading the numbers doesn't matter. Matter only current screen (every time).

    Say, I want to delete 1,3,4,5 in 2 steps. I want to keep №2 (Enterprise):
    1) Input: 1,3
    Done. Refreshing screen (now Enterprise is №1).
    2) Input: 2,3

    Just input accordingly to the current screen. Thats it.