1. Tiger-1

    Tiger-1 MDL Guru

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    hello AeonX
    hmm if things continue this way; I'm seeing myself again in open source ...
     
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  2. AeonX

    AeonX MDL Addicted

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    Hi Tiger I'm finally going to leave LTSB 2016 and go to LTSC 2019 :) because of my new video card.
    I don't see any major improvements in the new builds and the new features of directx 12 will take time to appear in games.

    I would like to go to Win8.1 but there are some games that I really want to play that require Windows 10.

    And as soon as I can I will dual boot my PC with Kubuntu :)
     
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  3. Tiger-1

    Tiger-1 MDL Guru

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    #16643 Tiger-1, Oct 5, 2020
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    wow friend hehe i remember well that you loved LTSB 2016 and it took a long time to "go up" to LTSC 2019, I'm still happy for the new video card congratulations well on games that only work on Windows 10 I think it's relative because see a example I run 3D Pinball on any Windows version without modifying anything although each case is different and finally I think that we will cross the antennas through the open source is not even because the world is small LOL :D:p
     
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  4. RaXorX

    RaXorX MDL Novice

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    As Igor147 said, and as you said Non N iso has media feature pack inbuilt into the iso. Even if I remove it, the space it requires doesn't really get cleared up for some reason. Although it's not much of a space, just a couple hundred mbs, was just considering it for aesthetics if i could just remove the package altogether. I guess not maybe. Like, in the past in MSMG there was an option to completely remove IE. It wasn't removed from the features list but, it was removed in such a way I couldn't really install IE back (which, in fact wasn't really a good thing though lol) or use anything that required IE (since IE is like a webview in Windows and thus required by products like adobe cc app to view the login page)
     
  5. Igor147

    Igor147 MDL Member

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    Something I didn't quite understand ...
     
  6. ingviowarr

    ingviowarr MDL Senior Member

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    #16646 ingviowarr, Oct 5, 2020
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    One experienced specialist and pretty known modder answer to me that such problems with apps happen when app installed offline.
    Once installed, the app must make a connection to Internet (at least only once).
    After going online and disconnecting you may install/uninstall offline this app as any times as you want. This is by M$ design..........

    WTF M$ doing, hah...?!!!!!!!!

    Is there any workaround for this s**t, to make installing+launching .appxbundles & .appx possible over TRUE offline w/o errors?
    (When machine will not have online connection for a long time and/or all M$-servers are firewalled?)

    The only method I discovered is:
    1) Installing using PowerShell
    2) Fixing App's folder permission manually - adding your Admin user with all permissions
     
  7. gdeliana

    gdeliana MDL Senior Member

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    Very nice analysis. Anyway for me Microsoft ceased to create quality software since year 2010 :D

    Last noble windows version is Windows 7 ... FULL POINT

     
  8. Enthousiast

    Enthousiast MDL Tester

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    Win 7 is hardly capable to service itself and not capable of servicing more current OSs, most current hardware and software does not support 7 anymore.
     
  9. ingviowarr

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    #16649 ingviowarr, Oct 6, 2020
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    @MSMG - My suggestion about improving UI a bit (you may not agree, it's OK)
    For a newcomers, I think, it would be more clear (for me too, as well)

    [8] Tools -> [1] WIM Manager -> [C] Delete


    move to the Main menu:

    [0] WIM Manager : Delete unnecessary Windows Editions

    ------------

    On MSMG v10.7 beta I've tried to delete a several editions at once (e.g.: 1,3,4,5) and I've got a hard closing.
    Then I've launched a program again and deleted one by one, as usual (no errors).
     
  10. AeonX

    AeonX MDL Addicted

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    Most games still run on any Windows because the games include support for both DirectX 11 and 12. But games developed on DX12 only will only run on Windows 10 like Horizon Zero Dawn and Forza Horizon 4. This is part of the strategy from Microsoft to force everyone to use the latest version of Windows. If all games adopted Vulkan it would be possible to run the games on any OS including Linux.
     
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  11. ingviowarr

    ingviowarr MDL Senior Member

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    Windows strategy will not make any difference if:

    1) Linux will start provide a satisfactory drivers for any more-less workable HW (10 years old or so).
    2) A big vendors like Adobe, Autodesk, etc. will start looking at Linux side
    3) If users will start feel they can move to Linux in regular work, producing real projects using "hard" soft suites.

    But Linux have to make smth. new and really georious at 1-st time in their long era.
    For example, an easy way to run any Windows "big software" on Linux.
    Then era of "big software" will come on Linux natively.

    Then M$ die. I wish they die from deep of my heart, as soon as possible.
     
  12. MSMG

    MSMG MDL Developer

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    Multiple index removal in WIM Manager is not added since it's a tricky thing, say you want to delete 1,3,4,5 when you delete index 1 then 3 won't be the 3 as 3 will be 2 now, so it needs more careful methods to detect the index number each time.

     
  13. ingviowarr

    ingviowarr MDL Senior Member

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    I don't think so. Because one screen - one attempt: every time the screen refreshes after input and changes a numbers for the next step.
    I.e. what you exactly see - that you input correspondingly. Spreading the numbers doesn't matter. Matter only current screen (every time).

    Say, I want to delete 1,3,4,5 in 2 steps. I want to keep №2 (Enterprise):
    1) Input: 1,3
    Done. Refreshing screen (now Enterprise is №1).
    2) Input: 2,3

    Just input accordingly to the current screen. Thats it.
     
  14. Enthousiast

    Enthousiast MDL Tester

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    Could the exporting option be used for this, it exports the indexes the user wants to keep and replaces the original wim with the new one?
     
  15. ingviowarr

    ingviowarr MDL Senior Member

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    #16655 ingviowarr, Oct 6, 2020
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    @MSMG -Another suggesion:

    Don't exit to the Main menu automatically from the [6] Apply until "Re-Build Source Images" is finished.
    Often there are 3 procedures here and user may want to stay until the last step:

    - Cleanup Source Images
    - Apply & Save Changes to Source Images
    - Re-Build Source Images

    Also it will be fine for the newcomers, they will understand intuitively that they need to compress the image at the 3-rd step.
    No need to go to the [6] Apply once again, this is really confusing (they have no idea the hidden sub-menu has changed for the next step).
    And things will be faster for everybody.
     
  16. #16656 Deleted member 1385001, Oct 6, 2020
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    Exactly the same as my script does . first export single index from main wim then move the exported wim to sources directory & rewrite it.
    Win10 Tweaking Scripts Both Online & Offline
     
  17. inTerActionVRI

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    #16657 inTerActionVRI, Oct 6, 2020
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    Try the MSMG 10.7 Beta. He made available for pre-test the functionality of selecting only the desired indexes in the DVD source.
    I believe that will solve that detail.

    Edit:
    I just tested it.

    The toolkit exports the Index you are editing, but does not delete the unwanted ones.

    @MSMG, after saving the script could perform the deletion of the unselected indexes in the initial assembly.

    Hypothesis: if you have 5 indexes and select to mount 2,4. Soon 1,3,5 are left over and could be excluded.

    Edit 2:
    I was reading what I wrote and I realized that I expressed myself poorly.

    Hypothetically speaking: if you select index 2,4 from 5 options, then index 1,3,5 remains. So if the code reads in advance that these are the disposable indexes.
    When @MSMG finishes implementing the selection of INDEXES in the same way that it is already working for the source assembly, a command could be added to call the WIMExport session right after finishing saving the image.
    Or just take advantage that the necessary indexes are already identified and export directly to the current Install.wim. It makes more sense.

    Maybe I'm thinking in a way that this part of the code might be repeating routines redundantly. It may be that this can be done directly at some previous stage, but I don't see much beyond that.

    Raising hypotheses helps to improve or create solutions.
     
  18. vintage7

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    Hello everyone,

    New to using this software as well as windows, but smart enough to evaluate the "readME" file. Wanted to refresh the device from scratch. It ran windows10 perfectly a week ago.

    Process so far wiped the device (surfacePro2 w/512GB) via the microsoftSurfaceDataEraser. Downloaded a fresh copy of the surfaceRecoveryUSB from microsoft technical support site. Followed their odd install instructions of exporting a .zip folder to a prebuilt USB via recoveryDrive. Hard drive still shows as raw or 0-out in diskPart. I think it's missing the surfacePro2 drivers which I also grabbed from their technical support site. But believe I need to install vis MSMGToolKit.

    diskpart/detaildisk/
    disk ID:00000000
    Type: SATA
    Status: Online
    Path:0
    Target:0
    LUN ID:0
    Location Path: PCIROOT(0)#PCI(1F02)#ATA(C00T00L00)
    Current Read-Only State: No
    Read-Only: No
    BootDisk: No
    Pagefile Disk: No
    Hibernation File Disk: No
    Crashdump Disk: No
    Clustered Disk: No
    There are no volumes

    Using ToolKit_v8.8
    After converting the install.SWM files to .WIM and trying to mount the DVD get the following error.

    ##Source Image Information##
    The syntax of the command is incorrect.
    "c:\Users\####\Desktop\project\w81\wim\Bin\x64>"

    QQ: What am I missing?
     
  19. zero cool root

    zero cool root MDL Senior Member

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    Hi,

    Put project folder into C:\ and try again.

    C:\project\
     
  20. vintage7

    vintage7 MDL Novice

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    #16660 vintage7, Oct 7, 2020
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    Thanks for the rapid response. Tried that, still no dice...
    The host is a win10 machine but the install.wim is a 8.1 pro.

    Using ToolKit_v8.8
    Tried editing the toolkit.cmd wadkToolsPathVariables to point at the win81DISM.exe

    if %HOST_Version% equ "6.1" set "DISM=%~dp0Bin\%HOST_Arch%\DISM81\DISM.exe
    if %HOST_Version% neq "6.1" set "DISM=%~dp0Bin\%HOST_Arch%\DISM81\DISM.exe​

    MSMG Toolkit - StartUp - Confirms this as true
    DISM.exe = c:\project\Bin\x64\DISM81\Dism.exe

    DISM Log
    Dism.exe version: 6.3.9600.17029

    Haven't tried implementing any packs. Don't know where to begin there. At 12.93gb its quite large.

    Thoughts anyone?