Agreed on the Herr Lauterbach and Sarah. But objectively, you keep pushing things which AfD are doing right now. Sarah is not of that lot by far, as can be seen from that video - she is calmly evaluating all the data, as am I, without fear of favour, towards a common goal, which is health and safety ==> that "general interests"! She is not doing only the partial interest garbage the AfD are doing vociferously, twisting and turning, changing their position upside-down if necessary, depending on where they can get more power... Sadly, you ignore a lot of stuff that doesn't fit your current narrative and this is where we disagree, of course...
I quick update of my COVID progress. I am still rapid test positive. No more symptoms since last Friday, except since yesterday a limited smell / taste experience. This symptom is known for delta, although I got confirmation of the other infected friends it still might happen at Omicron, too. I posted a clear no, it's even counter-productive / more of a risk (as there is no more benefit) as I have posted many times. I researched for immunity gotten from natural infection and want to put all references here. Credits to Dr. Campbell who reviewed /presented all those studies. It's overwhelming!!! Here the references to wipe the floor with your suggestion. (Sorry could not resist to borrow your phrase, hope you do not mind.) "Previous COVID-19 infection, but not Long-COVID, is associated with increased adverse events following BNT162b2/Pfizer vaccination" https://www.journalofinfection.com/article/S0163-4453(21)00277-2/fulltext "Protective immunity after recovery from SARS-CoV-2 infection" https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00676-9/fulltext "Immunological memory to SARS-CoV-2 assessed for up to 8 months after infection" https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.abf4063 "Ultrapotent antibodies against diverse and highly transmissible SARS-CoV-2 variants" https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.abh1766 "Assessment of protection against reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 among 4 million PCR-tested individuals in Denmark in 2020: a population-level observational study" https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(21)00575-4.pdf "SARS-CoV-2 re-infection risk in Austria" https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/eci.13520 "Reinfection Rates Among Patients Who Previously Tested Positive for Coronavirus Disease 2019: A Retrospective Cohort Study " https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/73/10/1882/6170939?login=false "Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals" https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v3 "Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections" https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 "Incidence of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus-2 infection among previously infected or vaccinated employees" https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.03.21259976v2 "SARS-CoV-2 infection rates of antibody-positive compared with antibody-negative health-care workers in England: a large, multicentre, prospective cohort study (SIREN)" https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(21)00675-9.pdf "SARS-CoV-2 seropositivity and subsequent infection risk in healthy young adults: a prospective cohort study" https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lanres/PIIS2213-2600(21)00158-2.pdf "Reinfection With Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in Patients Undergoing Serial Laboratory Testing " https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/74/2/294/6251701?login=false "SARS-CoV-2 infection induces long-lived bone marrow plasma cells in humans" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4?amp;code=7bafb609-23c2-4665-804b "T cell response to SARS-CoV-2 infection in humans: A systematic review" https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0245532 "SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell immunity in cases of COVID-19 and SARS, and uninfected controls" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z?flip=true "Protection of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection is similar to that of BNT162b2 vaccine protection: A three-month nationwide experience from Israel" https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.20.21255670v1 It's about time! The officials must recognize that those recovered from COVID (no matter if previously vaccinated or not at all) are building the ground for a solid endemic state. (Further) vaccinations are obsolete for those. Antibody and T cell tests to testify that those people are out of contribution to the pandemic.
From what I heard the experts state (yesterday one of them insisted): previous infections reduces the risk of another infection by about 40% but if you are vaccinated, too - it goes up to about 70%. Both wane after 4-5-6 months, of course, so boosters might be indicated, depending on the circumstance of a person... Deffo reduces the hospitalisations and deaths! As for the "risk": how many millions have died from C-19 as a sole or contributory factor?!? How many have had serious health complication, long Covid? And how many have died or have had serious complications from (some of) the vaccines?!? Do you have the numbers or you are talking "by heart"? You were the first to have kept mentioning the numbers ("not enough to consider this a pandemic, we should go back to "normal" etc."). Why are you now conveniently forgetting the numbers that differ drastically?!? It is obvious to me, therefore, that you are seriously biased in this regard! Most people in this thread are fan-like - just cheering on "their side" and ignoring the "other side" and all the data that doesn't fit their simplistic narrative!!! It's mind-boggling!!! This need for a rather simplistic dogma is just nuts!!! Now, that's what I call SLAM DUNK, suckah!!!
Those 'experts' statements are different and not backup'ed by any of a study I found. Source? I smell unreasonable bias towards vaccination even though it would add risk only when gotten natural immunity. Check especially my first link: "Previous COVID-19 infection, but not Long-COVID, is associated with increased adverse events following BNT162b2/Pfizer vaccination". All the studies posted are talking about 80%+ infection reduction, some even close to 100%, regardless of previously vaccinated. Never read something about 40% only which shall go up to 70% when vaccinated. To illustrate that an additional vaccination has no benefit when it came to natural infection, CDC report (or go through the studies, but this here makes it easier): Pastel blue small dots: Unvaccinated, previous COVID-19 diagnosis Dark grey interrupted line: Vaccinated, previous COVID-19 diagnosis Middle blue interrupted line: Vaccinated, no previous COVID-19 diagnosis Natural infection protects most (BETTER than vaccines alone!!! The line is above them!) And additional vaccination has NO effect! Unvaxxed have greatest risks, yes. But we know the only purpose of the vaccines is they can prevent severe illness when the natural infection occurs. Source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/pdfs/mm7104e1-H.pdf Your argumentation is like:" You are talking about banana ice cream and do not mention chocolate?" My post is solely about natural infection and its meaning (for given personal reasons)! No long covid, no fatality rates, no other issues...
Yes, @Yen, that is precisely your problem, a "Fachidiot" vision, very narrow, which creates umpteen problems in a discussion about a Public Health Policy, sure... (One more slam dunk, suckah! ) https://www.dw.com/en/omicron-is-natural-immunity-better-than-a-vaccine/a-60425426 "The body seems to respond best to a mixed immunity cocktail,according to Schulze zur Wiesch, citing a study his team conducted among German healthcare workers in 2021. Patients who received different types of vaccines — for example, the AstraZeneca vaccine, then a Moderna dose and a booster — appeared to have some of the greatest protection. Other studies have indicated that people with a combination of immunity acquired through past infection plus two shots seem to fare the best of all. Immunologists have dubbed this phenomenon "hybrid" or "super" immunity." https://connect.uclahealth.org/2022/01/20/natural-immunity-vs-vaccine-induced-immunity-to-covid-19/ "Q: Does immunity from natural infection last longer than immunity from the vaccine? A: Immunity to coronaviruses wanes with time, regardless of whether that immunity was generated by vaccination or previous infection. Booster doses of the COVID-19 vaccine were authorized because vaccine-induced immunity was found to diminish after about six months. Scientists believe that infection-induced immunity to COVID-19 lasts at least 90 days. People who’ve been fully vaccinated and people who were previously infected can still contract COVID-19. Q: Is immunity from natural infection with COVID-19 better than vaccine-induced immunity? A: Experts say no, because the risks associated with COVID-19 infection are far less predictable than the small risks associated with the vaccine. Infection with COVID-19 can lead to viral spread, serious illness and death. COVID-19 vaccines produce generally mild side effects that last a few days at most. A recent study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that previous infection with COVID-19 provided better protection against the delta variant than vaccination in a large sample. Researchers speculate this may be because the study was conducted before booster doses were approved, so immunity in vaccinated individuals may have waned to the point that they were more susceptible to infection. Still, the authors maintain that vaccination is the best way to protect against COVID-19 infection, long-term complications, hospitalization and death." https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/ar...fers-the-highest-protection#Final-conclusions "The findings suggest that natural immunity provides longer-lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease, and hospitalization due to the Delta variant, compared with the protection of the Pfizer-BioNTech two-dose vaccine, the researchers conclude. In addition, those with natural immunity exhibit additional protection against the Delta variant when given a single dose of the vaccine, according to the results. The researchers are continuing to investigate the long-term protection provided by a third dose, or booster, of this vaccine." So, stop being a "fan"!!!
https://www.dailyposter.com/how-the-koch-network-hijacked-the-war-on-covid/ - go figure that all of these financiers are right-wing and libertarian... Surely not - that would tantamount to a conspiracy, FCOL... https://www.grid.news/story/misinfo...nations-behind-the-canadian-trucker-protests/ https://www.thedailybeast.com/canad...2VlsrZ8SgjJUAgtWHhXaUGlttRb-0OmwooE8s8nMWkuMw https://gizmodo.com/givesendgo-leak...QlkDAcS5A4NO6KxgdvjkZP8TJrf134BEsKfnc0ODiOyVQ
https://aip.scitation.org/doi/abs/10.1063/1.5018151?journalCode=apl In 2005, MIPT graduates Andrey Geim and Konstantin Novoselov experimentally studied the behavior of electrons in flat "honeycombs" in graphene. They found that the electrons in graphene respond to electromagnetic radiation with any energy of the quantum, the occurrence of direct current in graphene when exposed to it 250GHz. There are three main effects when exposed to graphene. The first is the photo-thermoelectric effect - to set any temperature difference. The second effect is the appearance of rectified current on the contacts: it turns out that the contacts to the graphene allow high-frequency signal only at a certain polarity. The third, most interesting effect is called plasmonic rectification. Where in the graphene band "waves in the electron sea", and the reading contact registers the average current associated with this wave. What is the vaccine in the body 1. thermoelectric effect - when the signal is applied, it is possible to heat the graphene remotely, which will cause ruptures inside the body i.e. lead to death! 2. Appearance of Current on graphene when a signal is received. Can lead to unpredictable consequences in the human body. 3. Plasmonic rectification is called receiving data transfer i.e. when a signal is sent to the graphene it processes the data and sends it back. Let me remind everyone that 5G uses frequencies from 30 to 300 GHz. For the forgetful, I want to remind you of the patents that have been filed. Remember Pfizer's August 31, 2021 patent on tracking people through vaccinations! Remember the Covid patents from 2003. and the other 4,000 patents. The zombie apocalypse is just beginning. Remember this is what Biden does. Biden doesn't run after you with a syringe in his hand and stab you? Biden doesn't terrorize you in stores for not wearing a mask? Biden doesn't fire you from your job for not getting vaccinated? You're doing it to yourselves - you're killing each other with your own hands! Personally, I feel bad for people that they bristle.
Ooopppsss... https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/17/health/ba-2-covid-severity/index.html "It might be, from a human's perspective, a worse virus than BA.1 and might be able to transmit better and cause worse disease," says Dr. Daniel Rhoads, section head of microbiology at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio. Rhoads reviewed the study but was not involved in the research. BA.2 is highly mutated compared with the original Covid-causing virus that emerged in Wuhan, China. It also has dozens of gene changes that are different from the original Omicron strain, making it as distinct from the most recent pandemic virus as the Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Delta variants were from each other. Kei Sato, a researcher at the University of Tokyo who conducted the study, argues that these findings prove that BA.2 should not be considered a type of Omicron and that it needs to be more closely monitored.
msnNOW: What We Do and Don't Know About Omicron Subvariant BA.2. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...-know-about-omicron-subvariant-ba2/ar-AAU4pGD
Another out of context statement (since BA.1 has that as well), typically MSM with the intention to fearmonger. I am rather a 'fan' of scientific studies than to fall for MSM articles (CNN, really?!?) like you are doing all the time. I mean how long will you be prone to 'the next variant is more virulent fuss'? BA.1 original Omicron has more S protein mutations than BA.2! (33/31), therefore the vaccines should theoretically still work better at BA.2. (BA.2 hasn't the deletion 69-70, therefore no SGTF) The integration process of BA.2 has had consensus and details are here: https://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/coronavirus-discussion.81224/page-199#post-1720839 Danish risk assessment of BA.2 (Short: More contagious -approximately 30%-, similar low virulence.) "Furthermore, no difference was seen between individuals who were unvaccinated, received a single vaccination, were fully vaccinated, received a booster or among children aged 0-2 years (33 BA.2 hospital admissions)" So in fact the vaccines are as 'useful' as for BA.1. https://en.ssi.dk/-/media/arkiv/sub.../2022/risk-assesment-of-omicron-ba2.pdf?la=en My final COVID update: I am at work again. Test negative.
OK Continuing to disprove statements (actually lies) such as "The mRNA will last only 48 h in human body" and " Vaccinations with original wuhan S protein based vaccines and immune training has no imprinting issues"... "Immune imprinting, breadth of variant recognition and germinal center response in human SARS-CoV-2 infection and vaccination" https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(22)00076-9.pdf It has imprinting issues and the mRNA and the spike last up to 8 weeks!!! And myocarditis risk about 133x higher at mRNA based vaxxinations "Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based COVID-19 Vaccination in the US From December 2020 to August 2021" https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788346 Myocarditis is an illness that is at best case severe, at worst case fatal, but never mild such as Omicron.
Mild Omicron that also kills. A lot. A lot more than the vaccines. (And they are working on that problem in their vaccines, as reported.) But that doesn't compute with you... Normalising death. Wow! Oh, CNN may put up a title but their data comes from experts. Again, researchers, scientists, front line doctors - none of them have a clue, eh? But you do... Right...
But not at the article you have posted. Experts would articulate differently. It's not about having a clue. It's about recognizing the obvious! The poor quality of some 'interviews' with an obvious bias. All the more it has the same structure as the guardian articles where they mentioned that monoclonal ABs are failing. Here: https://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/coronavirus-discussion.81224/page-98#post-1643280 Everyone who is a bit familiar with biology KNOWS that they must fail by nature and there is NO indication of something to be worried! And why saying "BA.2 is highly mutated compared with the original Covid-causing virus that emerged in Wuhan, China." when BA.1 has MORE S protein mutations?" The point is to distort things. To me it is obvious and I can assess articles by experiences. There is nothing wrong posting MSM articles IF they link to the source and IF they recite the source correctly. For instance here: https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321238 "New study: 133x risk of myocarditis after COVID vaccination" And then they posted the JAMA study the source! No, there will be age groups where the vaccines caused more harm than the virus. It's a matter of time until data will be available. And its heavily under-reported either way. Young males are most affected of getting myocarditis a group which is not affected by the virus. The point is that actually all would have had it better without the vaccine. It's all about a proper patient information which has NOT been made. A failed individual risk / benefit analyses (if there's been such an analyses at all) People are dying because of the vaccines which would have survived a COVID illness, that's the point! The COVID vaccines caused already more harm after one year than all the other vaccines altogether for decades. Considering their effect on current Omicron and their risk, their EUA for young people should be withdrawn. The risk benefit evaluation has changed. Omicron is mild and the effectiveness of the vaccines on Omicron is almost zero.
"The point is that actually all would have had it better without the vaccine." See, this is what I call a really bad quality, unthinking, uncaring and thoughtless claim!
No it's not. Compare the study and compare deaths caused by COVID within this group. The 'all' is related to young males. This is a statement which has significant relevance.